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The main people who will be impacted by this are tradesmen. You can't take a van full of tools and materials and a ladder on public transport or a bike. This w

The main people who will be impacted by this are tradesmen. You can't take a van full of tools and materials and a ladder on public transport or a bike. This will be passed through to householders in the form of higher prices and fewer tradesmen available to work when needed - on fact this is already a problem in London and will contribute further to rent inflation. It's crazy in my view to do this without a scheme to support replacement of older vehicles which would enable people to switch to newer less polluting vehicles in a much more cost neutral way. Those higher costs will hit those least able to afford them most so I agree it is regressive.

mFixman 4y ago
It's £12.50 per day. I'm sure they can manage.
- tomatocracy 4y ago
  Typical tradesman rates are 250-300/day. So if they can't pass it through, it's a 4-5% pay cut. If you can accept work outside London without that pay cut, why would you continue to work in London? So it will likely end up being passed through, which means it has an inflationary impact of 4-5% on day rates (which are going up already due to broader inflation), which in turn squeezes customers (especially households) further. It's poor timing for such a policy when inflation is already squeezing households significantly.
oakesm9 4y ago
Any diesel van that is Euro 6 compliant won’t need to pay this, which covers any van made since late 2016. Petrol vans made since 2006 are all compliant with the ULEZ and don’t need to pay either. It’s only older, more polluting, vans that will need to pay it https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/vans-minibuses-and-more https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/van...
misterpurple45 4y ago
Humans hugely undervalue their time. £12.50 per day is a bargain for a tradesperson if it means they can do more work because they’re spending less time idling in traffic jams.
- iso1631 4y ago
  Modern vehicles which in my experience most tradespeople drive aren't affected either.
matsemann 4y ago
Fwiw I've seen plenty of tradesmen on cargo bikes in my city lately. Also makes it easier to get their tools in, can park right outside the door instead of wasting 15 minutes looking for parking for every customer. Not all tradesmen need a full car of tools for every project.
shmageggy 4y ago
> It's crazy in my view to do this without a scheme to support replacement of older vehicles Good news - FTA: > A £110 million scrappage scheme has also been announced, to allow those living within the expanded ULEZ to get money towards a compliant car. Van owners will be allowed to use the cash to retrofit their vehicles to make them compliant.

mFixman 4y ago

It's £12.50 per day. I'm sure they can manage.

tomatocracy 4y ago
Typical tradesman rates are 250-300/day. So if they can't pass it through, it's a 4-5% pay cut. If you can accept work outside London without that pay cut, why would you continue to work in London? So it will likely end up being passed through, which means it has an inflationary impact of 4-5% on day rates (which are going up already due to broader inflation), which in turn squeezes customers (especially households) further. It's poor timing for such a policy when inflation is already squeezing households significantly.

oakesm9 4y ago

Any diesel van that is Euro 6 compliant won’t need to pay this, which covers any van made since late 2016. Petrol vans made since 2006 are all compliant with the ULEZ and don’t need to pay either. It’s only older, more polluting, vans that will need to pay it https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/vans-minibuses-and-more https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/van...

misterpurple45 4y ago

Humans hugely undervalue their time. £12.50 per day is a bargain for a tradesperson if it means they can do more work because they’re spending less time idling in traffic jams.

iso1631 4y ago
Modern vehicles which in my experience most tradespeople drive aren't affected either.

matsemann 4y ago

Fwiw I've seen plenty of tradesmen on cargo bikes in my city lately. Also makes it easier to get their tools in, can park right outside the door instead of wasting 15 minutes looking for parking for every customer. Not all tradesmen need a full car of tools for every project.

shmageggy 4y ago

> It's crazy in my view to do this without a scheme to support replacement of older vehicles Good news - FTA: > A £110 million scrappage scheme has also been announced, to allow those living within the expanded ULEZ to get money towards a compliant car. Van owners will be allowed to use the cash to retrofit their vehicles to make them compliant.