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Apologies upfront if I am misinformed/out of the loop: Why does the Chinese government want to hinder their economic output by forcing their population to need

Apologies upfront if I am misinformed/out of the loop: Why does the Chinese government want to hinder their economic output by forcing their population to need to stay indoors? Are they genuinely afraid of COVID still or is there a different reason? What's the "truth" if you will?

germandiago 4y ago
I am pretty sure the reasons are different. It does not make sense to make such a hard lockdown in my eyes.
abudabi123 4y ago
Is the ruling Communist Party government wanting one third of one half of all the windfall gains in the global supply chain since 2012 for the little people workers/subcontractors and not the Wall Street wolves Xi Jinping's Communist Party insider political enemies leak to as if Wikileaks?
caligarn 4y ago
The Chinese government refuses to deploy non-Chinese vaccines. The concern has been that the Chinese vaccine is harmful or ineffective with the elders, so not having lockdowns causes a surge in the elderly being hospitalized or dying.
mlindner 4y ago
I've found this video rather illustrative on why. https://nebula.tv/videos/polymatter-why-china-wont-abandon-zerocovid https://nebula.tv/videos/polymatter-why-china-wont-abandon-z...
powerapple 4y ago
Chinese olders refuse to have vaccines, they don't like anything to be injected into their body. They use herbs when they are sick. My dad refused my mom to take a MRI scan. Now you want them to have boosters every 6 months, no way.
- scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago
  This is very insightful. I feel that there is a communist cultural connection here that I find familiar. Elders today who came up in communist systems have a deeply rooted mistrust of anything that is served up into the body not because of suspicion of conspiracy, but because of a long experience with systemic incompetence and low quality. I’ve seen it here in Eastern Europe as well - people (grandparent age) trusted that Western vaccines are just fine - they just didn’t trust that the ones we obtained locally weren’t ruined or tampered with. They didn’t believe we’d get the “better” stuff. I think this mentality can be difficult for Westerners of all ages to comprehend. Or it is easier for Westerners to just superimpose their own similar, albeit different ideas/problems around conspiracy and mistrust.
  - powerapple 4y ago
    It is not really about communists roots or anything. Old Chinese people believe in herbs, and believe anything unnatural is bad for your body. Especially old people, they believe doing less to your body is best for you, just let the nature take care of it. As for your grandparents, I don't think anything should be trusted blindly. It is very personal thing. For an Asian to take something 1/10000 of death/or other rate, it is not worth it. That's why many Asian still wear masks. The best way to understand developing world is to compress 4 generations or even more into two generations, like comparing the thoughts of your great great granddad to yourself, that's how fast developing world has developed, and the gap between generations can be so big.
- baandam 4y ago
  There is also little natural immunity with what they have done. I don't know if they can really just let it rip through a 1 billion people without it being a major health crisis when so many do not have previous exposure. The optics on the government of a COVID health crisis while everyone else has moved on is not going to be an option for them. This is scary where this goes from here.
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germandiago 4y ago

I am pretty sure the reasons are different. It does not make sense to make such a hard lockdown in my eyes.

abudabi123 4y ago

Is the ruling Communist Party government wanting one third of one half of all the windfall gains in the global supply chain since 2012 for the little people workers/subcontractors and not the Wall Street wolves Xi Jinping's Communist Party insider political enemies leak to as if Wikileaks?

caligarn 4y ago

The Chinese government refuses to deploy non-Chinese vaccines. The concern has been that the Chinese vaccine is harmful or ineffective with the elders, so not having lockdowns causes a surge in the elderly being hospitalized or dying.

mlindner 4y ago

I've found this video rather illustrative on why. https://nebula.tv/videos/polymatter-why-china-wont-abandon-zerocovid https://nebula.tv/videos/polymatter-why-china-wont-abandon-z...

powerapple 4y ago

Chinese olders refuse to have vaccines, they don't like anything to be injected into their body. They use herbs when they are sick. My dad refused my mom to take a MRI scan. Now you want them to have boosters every 6 months, no way.

scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago
This is very insightful. I feel that there is a communist cultural connection here that I find familiar. Elders today who came up in communist systems have a deeply rooted mistrust of anything that is served up into the body not because of suspicion of conspiracy, but because of a long experience with systemic incompetence and low quality. I’ve seen it here in Eastern Europe as well - people (grandparent age) trusted that Western vaccines are just fine - they just didn’t trust that the ones we obtained locally weren’t ruined or tampered with. They didn’t believe we’d get the “better” stuff. I think this mentality can be difficult for Westerners of all ages to comprehend. Or it is easier for Westerners to just superimpose their own similar, albeit different ideas/problems around conspiracy and mistrust.
- powerapple 4y ago
  It is not really about communists roots or anything. Old Chinese people believe in herbs, and believe anything unnatural is bad for your body. Especially old people, they believe doing less to your body is best for you, just let the nature take care of it. As for your grandparents, I don't think anything should be trusted blindly. It is very personal thing. For an Asian to take something 1/10000 of death/or other rate, it is not worth it. That's why many Asian still wear masks. The best way to understand developing world is to compress 4 generations or even more into two generations, like comparing the thoughts of your great great granddad to yourself, that's how fast developing world has developed, and the gap between generations can be so big.
baandam 4y ago
There is also little natural immunity with what they have done. I don't know if they can really just let it rip through a 1 billion people without it being a major health crisis when so many do not have previous exposure. The optics on the government of a COVID health crisis while everyone else has moved on is not going to be an option for them. This is scary where this goes from here.

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