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It really doesn’t require it, not here anyway where comments are supposed to be substantive. I hope it doesn’t seem supporting the HN guidelines is, against fu

It really doesn’t require it, not here anyway where comments are supposed to be substantive. I hope it doesn’t seem supporting the HN guidelines is, against fun or anything. I think it’d be great to hear at some social get-together or even as part of a tech talk. One problem with it here is as you can see are long cascading joke reply comments which make it hard for interesting comments to be seen.

VanTheBrand 4y ago
And yet I found the parent comment interesting and on topic and yours tangential and pedantic.
- hitekker 4y ago
  Redditors often bemoan how comment threads are ruined by low-effort commenters making low-effort jokes. It's an easy, knee-jerk complaint that ignores the bigger, tougher problem of bad moderation. Subreddits are plagued by bad moderators whereas HN at least has a few good moderators who can regulate the discourse well. Some commenters can't tell the difference: they think so lowly of their fellow commenters that even one joke is cancer. Quite a silly condescension given that this one "joke" thread is buried towards the middle of the page and is also producing interesting links like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_and_Necessity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_and_Necessity
  - stingraycharles 4y ago
    I find it interesting that, while accusing commenters about thinking lowly about others and being condescending, you’re actually doing that exact same thing.
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    - hitekker 4y ago
      My point was that small minds use pedantry to compensate for insecurity. I’m sorry that it hits too close to home.
- stingraycharles 4y ago
  Actually the reference to the joke about cache invalidation being hard is about something else than the article is actually about: the article is about undesired dirty caches and concurrency, while the original joke is about designing algorithm to invalidate caches.
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Stratoscope 4y ago
I see that my citation of that joke was not to your taste. I appreciate the feedback. HN provides a solution for the long cascading joke thread. To the right of every comment is a [-] link which collapses the entire thread. Have you watched The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel? I recommend it. There are so many scenes where she or another comedian just bombs. That is part of the life of a comedian, and learning from when you bombed is how you get better at your craft. Regarding the off by one joke, personally I find it insightful and relevant to the life of a software engineer. Doesn't it get you thinking about all the ways an off by one error can sneak into your code? Consider your everyday ruler or tape measure. What is the first whole number you see on it? 1, of course. But the ruler doesn't actually start at 1. It starts at 0. Or consider a graphic system where you describe the coordinates of a rectangle. You may describe these as (left,top)-(right,bottom), or in other words (x1,y1)-(x2,y2). Now how do you describe a single pixel? Is it (0,0)-(0,0)? That kind of makes sense. Or should you use (0,0)-(1,1) for a single pixel, and (0,0)-(0,0) is an empty rectangle? These are not easy questions to answer. One of the best explanations I've seen was in Inside Macintosh, written by my friend Caroline Rose. Here is a discussion with Guido's and Caroline's thoughts on zeroes and ones: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6602497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6602497 Let me leave you with an Amicus Curiae brief filed before the US Supreme Court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/242596/20221006144840674_Novak%20Parma%20Onion%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/242596/2022... [PDF] The brief begins: > The Onion is the world’s leading news publication, offering highly acclaimed, universally revered coverage of breaking national, international, and local news events. Rising from its humble beginnings as a print newspaper in 1756, The Onion now enjoys a daily readership of 4.3 trillion and has grown into the single most powerful and influential organization in human history.

VanTheBrand 4y ago

And yet I found the parent comment interesting and on topic and yours tangential and pedantic.

hitekker 4y ago
Redditors often bemoan how comment threads are ruined by low-effort commenters making low-effort jokes. It's an easy, knee-jerk complaint that ignores the bigger, tougher problem of bad moderation. Subreddits are plagued by bad moderators whereas HN at least has a few good moderators who can regulate the discourse well. Some commenters can't tell the difference: they think so lowly of their fellow commenters that even one joke is cancer. Quite a silly condescension given that this one "joke" thread is buried towards the middle of the page and is also producing interesting links like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_and_Necessity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_and_Necessity
- stingraycharles 4y ago
  I find it interesting that, while accusing commenters about thinking lowly about others and being condescending, you’re actually doing that exact same thing.
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  - hitekker 4y ago
    My point was that small minds use pedantry to compensate for insecurity. I’m sorry that it hits too close to home.
stingraycharles 4y ago
Actually the reference to the joke about cache invalidation being hard is about something else than the article is actually about: the article is about undesired dirty caches and concurrency, while the original joke is about designing algorithm to invalidate caches.

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Stratoscope 4y ago

I see that my citation of that joke was not to your taste. I appreciate the feedback. HN provides a solution for the long cascading joke thread. To the right of every comment is a [-] link which collapses the entire thread. Have you watched The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel? I recommend it. There are so many scenes where she or another comedian just bombs. That is part of the life of a comedian, and learning from when you bombed is how you get better at your craft. Regarding the off by one joke, personally I find it insightful and relevant to the life of a software engineer. Doesn't it get you thinking about all the ways an off by one error can sneak into your code? Consider your everyday ruler or tape measure. What is the first whole number you see on it? 1, of course. But the ruler doesn't actually start at 1. It starts at 0. Or consider a graphic system where you describe the coordinates of a rectangle. You may describe these as (left,top)-(right,bottom), or in other words (x1,y1)-(x2,y2). Now how do you describe a single pixel? Is it (0,0)-(0,0)? That kind of makes sense. Or should you use (0,0)-(1,1) for a single pixel, and (0,0)-(0,0) is an empty rectangle? These are not easy questions to answer. One of the best explanations I've seen was in Inside Macintosh, written by my friend Caroline Rose. Here is a discussion with Guido's and Caroline's thoughts on zeroes and ones: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6602497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6602497 Let me leave you with an Amicus Curiae brief filed before the US Supreme Court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/242596/20221006144840674_Novak%20Parma%20Onion%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/242596/2022... [PDF] The brief begins: > The Onion is the world’s leading news publication, offering highly acclaimed, universally revered coverage of breaking national, international, and local news events. Rising from its humble beginnings as a print newspaper in 1756, The Onion now enjoys a daily readership of 4.3 trillion and has grown into the single most powerful and influential organization in human history.