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You're blaming street width? Why not blame oxidation or the vulcanization of rubber? Those are also involved. For my part, I blame the shitheads not getting

You're blaming street width? Why not blame oxidation or the vulcanization of rubber? Those are also involved. For my part, I blame the shitheads not getting their asses thrown in jail with vigorous immediacy. Let the cops barricade the roads and load up the wagons.

echelon 4y ago
HN draws in a large urban audience. A small, but vocal subset of urbanites absolutely hate car transportation and suburbia. It's a fast growing subculture with many adherents. They favor bike and rail transportation, "complete streets", and removal of surface parking lots. The /r/fuckcars subreddit, for example, would absolutely turn this thread into an anti-car talking point.
- boc 4y ago
  I personally don’t hate cars, but I hate that we let them park anywhere for basically free. If we built more high-volume garages and then banned street parking in city cores, our sidewalk cafes and restaurant culture would improve dramatically. Remove parking, expand the sidewalks.
- TaylorAlexander 4y ago
  They do have a point though. It’s pretty hard to do donuts in a train!
warning26 4y ago
How about both? Let’s fix street design AND throw all these people in prison.
bigDinosaur 4y ago
Road width is an issue because it inherently encourages fast, not uncommonly reckless, driving. There's a science to this which is implemented in places like the Netherlands, but it gets totally ignored by people who are excessively pro-car.
- Lammy 4y ago
  I'm sure that works well for a country the size of the Netherlands (33500km²). The 48 contiguous US states, on the other hand, comprise an area of 8 million km², and people need a way to travel and travel quickly. The alternative to accessible transportation (and affordable housing) is de facto segregation, and I was raised to believe that's a bad thing lol
skorpeon87 4y ago
It's a trendy hobbyhorse for the past couple of years: Every problem with cities is because of car culture. And the problem with rural areas is they aren't cities, because of car culture.

echelon 4y ago

HN draws in a large urban audience. A small, but vocal subset of urbanites absolutely hate car transportation and suburbia. It's a fast growing subculture with many adherents. They favor bike and rail transportation, "complete streets", and removal of surface parking lots. The /r/fuckcars subreddit, for example, would absolutely turn this thread into an anti-car talking point.

boc 4y ago
I personally don’t hate cars, but I hate that we let them park anywhere for basically free. If we built more high-volume garages and then banned street parking in city cores, our sidewalk cafes and restaurant culture would improve dramatically. Remove parking, expand the sidewalks.
TaylorAlexander 4y ago
They do have a point though. It’s pretty hard to do donuts in a train!

warning26 4y ago

How about both? Let’s fix street design AND throw all these people in prison.

bigDinosaur 4y ago

Road width is an issue because it inherently encourages fast, not uncommonly reckless, driving. There's a science to this which is implemented in places like the Netherlands, but it gets totally ignored by people who are excessively pro-car.

Lammy 4y ago
I'm sure that works well for a country the size of the Netherlands (33500km²). The 48 contiguous US states, on the other hand, comprise an area of 8 million km², and people need a way to travel and travel quickly. The alternative to accessible transportation (and affordable housing) is de facto segregation, and I was raised to believe that's a bad thing lol

skorpeon87 4y ago

It's a trendy hobbyhorse for the past couple of years: Every problem with cities is because of car culture. And the problem with rural areas is they aren't cities, because of car culture.