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Inventing a language seems to be a rite of passage for every engineer at google. Go, Dart, Carbon, Mangle, am I missing some? I'm not criticizing, I would not

by linkdd 4y ago

Inventing a language seems to be a rite of passage for every engineer at google. Go, Dart, Carbon, Mangle, am I missing some? I'm not criticizing, I would not dare as I'm creating my own language as well :P

eximius 4y ago
those are just the public ones
drittich 4y ago
Yes - my only attempt was in the early 1980s when I started to develop a language implemented on top of interpreted BASIC. It was called MAL (My Attempt at a Language). I wish I still had it - I have no recollection what my design goals were, if any! The only thing I have left is the name, and I'm quite sure that was the best part about it anyway.
nicoburns 4y ago
4 languages doesn't really seem that many given how many engineers there are at google...
throwaway484 4y ago
I can think of a few others… Sawzall, a language focused around processing logs. Rob Pike led on this but use has pretty much all been replaced by Go. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawzall_(programming_language) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawzall_(programming_languag... Dex, a language focused around array processing from the team behind the Jax machine learning library. Early stage research project. https://github.com/google-research/dex-lang https://github.com/google-research/dex-lang Rune, a language focused on security, early stage research project. https://github.com/google/rune https://github.com/google/rune Wuffs, a language focused on writing safe file format handlers (parsing, encoding, decoding) https://github.com/google/wuffs https://github.com/google/wuffs
- d3nj4l 4y ago
  Cue and skylark (now starlark), too.
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  Also other internal languages: borgmon, borgcfg. Don't think they use borgmon anymore though.
capableweb 4y ago
Initial version of AngularJS by Miško could almost be considered it's own (compile to JS) language.
operator-name 4y ago
Inventing a language is a rite of passage for every engineer. Domain specific problems are best appreciated in the constraints (and flexability) of a domain specific language.
kccqzy 4y ago
The internal GCL language, as well as its failed replacements. There's a nice introduction in this paper: https://pure.tue.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/46927079/638953-1.pdf https://pure.tue.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/46927079/638953-1.... Back when I worked there, I actually quite liked the syntax of the language, though the semantics of the language was quite a dumpster fire. Another internal language for querying Monarch. See section 5.1 of http://www.vldb.org/pvldb/vol13/p3181-adams.pdf http://www.vldb.org/pvldb/vol13/p3181-adams.pdf
pjmlp 4y ago
To be fair, it is a rite of passage for anyone doing a proper software engineering degree anyway. Hence why there should be a very good reason to start an ecosystem from scratch, given how many languages get invented per year across the world universities.
jstx1 4y ago
Rune - posted very recently - https://github.com/google/rune https://github.com/google/rune https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33761193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33761193

by linkdd 4y ago

eximius 4y ago

those are just the public ones

drittich 4y ago

Yes - my only attempt was in the early 1980s when I started to develop a language implemented on top of interpreted BASIC. It was called MAL (My Attempt at a Language). I wish I still had it - I have no recollection what my design goals were, if any! The only thing I have left is the name, and I'm quite sure that was the best part about it anyway.

nicoburns 4y ago

4 languages doesn't really seem that many given how many engineers there are at google...

throwaway484 4y ago

I can think of a few others… Sawzall, a language focused around processing logs. Rob Pike led on this but use has pretty much all been replaced by Go. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawzall_(programming_language) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawzall_(programming_languag... Dex, a language focused around array processing from the team behind the Jax machine learning library. Early stage research project. https://github.com/google-research/dex-lang https://github.com/google-research/dex-lang Rune, a language focused on security, early stage research project. https://github.com/google/rune https://github.com/google/rune Wuffs, a language focused on writing safe file format handlers (parsing, encoding, decoding) https://github.com/google/wuffs https://github.com/google/wuffs

d3nj4l 4y ago
Cue and skylark (now starlark), too.
fidgewidge 4y ago
Also other internal languages: borgmon, borgcfg. Don't think they use borgmon anymore though.

capableweb 4y ago

Initial version of AngularJS by Miško could almost be considered it's own (compile to JS) language.

operator-name 4y ago

Inventing a language is a rite of passage for every engineer. Domain specific problems are best appreciated in the constraints (and flexability) of a domain specific language.

kccqzy 4y ago

The internal GCL language, as well as its failed replacements. There's a nice introduction in this paper: https://pure.tue.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/46927079/638953-1.pdf https://pure.tue.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/46927079/638953-1.... Back when I worked there, I actually quite liked the syntax of the language, though the semantics of the language was quite a dumpster fire. Another internal language for querying Monarch. See section 5.1 of http://www.vldb.org/pvldb/vol13/p3181-adams.pdf http://www.vldb.org/pvldb/vol13/p3181-adams.pdf

pjmlp 4y ago

To be fair, it is a rite of passage for anyone doing a proper software engineering degree anyway. Hence why there should be a very good reason to start an ecosystem from scratch, given how many languages get invented per year across the world universities.

jstx1 4y ago

Rune - posted very recently - https://github.com/google/rune https://github.com/google/rune https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33761193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33761193