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Using in part is perfectly fine because for the Russians, the war was completely ended due to labour action. They owe their war's end to that. Was it the right

Using in part is perfectly fine because for the Russians, the war was completely ended due to labour action. They owe their war's end to that. Was it the right decision, or did it end up losing more lives in the long term? Whole other discussion.

AlbertCory 4y ago
Leaving aside the toll of Communism over its 72 years: There was a Russian Civil War, which we don't hear much about. So the war hadn't really ended for them. There was also a war between Russia and Poland. I looked some for a total of "WW I casualties by year" table but didn't find one; only "casualties by country." The significance would be "giant German offensive; therefore giant casualties." In any case, I don't think there's much of a case for the hypothesis "Russian Revolution saved lives."
- thriftwy 4y ago
  For Russians, the war has started in 1917. Whatever there was in 1914-1917 now barely registers compared to what has followed. It is also disingenous to call Russian revolution a "Labor action", since it was performed first by army generals and members of ruling class, then by political exiles-in-return.
  - AlbertCory 4y ago
    Excuse me? "Whatever there was in 1914-1917"?? 122,000 killed, wounded, or captured. And that was just one battle. https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Tannenberg-World-War-I-1914 https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Tannenberg-World-... The Russians lost 30,000 killed or wounded, while the Germans sustained a total of only 13,000 casualties. Some 92,000 Russian prisoners were taken, two and a half army corps annihilated, and the remaining half of Samsonov’s army severely shaken.
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      Well the civil war has caused multiple million casualties, most of them civilian. Moreover it has mostly uprooted the surviving rest of society. That trauma has dwarfed WWI and almost erased it from public memory.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    I'm Russian, and this is nonsense. The Civil War that followed is definitely recognized as very destructive and traumatic. But it doesn't mean that we don't remember the Attack of the Dead Men, the Brusilov Offensive, the Women's Death Batallions, the Brest Peace etc. When it comes to politics, in particular, WW1 is remembered precisely because it led to a revolution, and it was very obvious and explicit in the revolutionaries' rhetoric; one of the most famous slogans was "штыки в землю", literally "bayonets into the ground".
    - AlbertCory 4y ago
      Thanks. I'm not Russian, and if someone says WW1 is largely forgotten there, I'm doubtful, but I'm hardly in a position to argue. It's mostly forgotten in the US, for that matter. I think the last living veteran of that war died recently. Peter Jackson's recent cleaning up of the movie footage for "They Shall Not Grow Old" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7905466/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7905466/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1 was heart-rending.
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      Brest Peace is a part of revolutionary events, and the rest is mostly remembered by tiny minority of Russian monarchists and forgotten by the rest. Even I hear of Women's Death Batallions for the first time. Need to google.
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AlbertCory 4y ago

Leaving aside the toll of Communism over its 72 years: There was a Russian Civil War, which we don't hear much about. So the war hadn't really ended for them. There was also a war between Russia and Poland. I looked some for a total of "WW I casualties by year" table but didn't find one; only "casualties by country." The significance would be "giant German offensive; therefore giant casualties." In any case, I don't think there's much of a case for the hypothesis "Russian Revolution saved lives."

thriftwy 4y ago
For Russians, the war has started in 1917. Whatever there was in 1914-1917 now barely registers compared to what has followed. It is also disingenous to call Russian revolution a "Labor action", since it was performed first by army generals and members of ruling class, then by political exiles-in-return.
- AlbertCory 4y ago
  Excuse me? "Whatever there was in 1914-1917"?? 122,000 killed, wounded, or captured. And that was just one battle. https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Tannenberg-World-War-I-1914 https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Tannenberg-World-... The Russians lost 30,000 killed or wounded, while the Germans sustained a total of only 13,000 casualties. Some 92,000 Russian prisoners were taken, two and a half army corps annihilated, and the remaining half of Samsonov’s army severely shaken.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    Well the civil war has caused multiple million casualties, most of them civilian. Moreover it has mostly uprooted the surviving rest of society. That trauma has dwarfed WWI and almost erased it from public memory.
- int_19h 4y ago
  I'm Russian, and this is nonsense. The Civil War that followed is definitely recognized as very destructive and traumatic. But it doesn't mean that we don't remember the Attack of the Dead Men, the Brusilov Offensive, the Women's Death Batallions, the Brest Peace etc. When it comes to politics, in particular, WW1 is remembered precisely because it led to a revolution, and it was very obvious and explicit in the revolutionaries' rhetoric; one of the most famous slogans was "штыки в землю", literally "bayonets into the ground".
  - AlbertCory 4y ago
    Thanks. I'm not Russian, and if someone says WW1 is largely forgotten there, I'm doubtful, but I'm hardly in a position to argue. It's mostly forgotten in the US, for that matter. I think the last living veteran of that war died recently. Peter Jackson's recent cleaning up of the movie footage for "They Shall Not Grow Old" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7905466/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7905466/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_1 was heart-rending.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    Brest Peace is a part of revolutionary events, and the rest is mostly remembered by tiny minority of Russian monarchists and forgotten by the rest. Even I hear of Women's Death Batallions for the first time. Need to google.

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