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*> exempt from many regulations that make cars expensive. Which I never understood. If you're driving in the middle of the road, why does it matter if it's a

*> exempt from many regulations that make cars expensive. Which I never understood. If you're driving in the middle of the road, why does it matter if it's a NEV or a 18-wheeler? I think the same rules should apply. That NEV can be rear-ended by a regular car at 80km/h and the car driver will be fine with their airbags and whatnot while the NEV driver is probably dead.

imoverclocked 4y ago
You shouldn’t be on roads that are heavily trafficked by fast moving vehicles with this kind of vehicle in the first place. I own an electric Ranger (not Highway legal) for around my place and it fills a real need. There is no need for airbags or anything of the like on it. I didn’t even bother purchasing it with a windshield. The biggest threat to me in that vehicle is the dense vegetation and steep hills I often drive through. I think there is an expectation around safety levels of different kinds of vehicles. If I buy a car that is capable of going 100mph, I expect it to have features that will help me survive a crash in those conditions. However, a motorcycle is a completely different kind of vehicle with different expectations. I don’t think a reasonable motorcyclist expects any thing remotely close in safety to that of a car despite also being able to reach the same conditions.
- gtirloni 4y ago
  *> You shouldn’t be on roads that are heavily trafficked Please help me understand. NEVs are road-worthy but not all-roads-worthy? Is there any law against NEVs in heavily trafficked roads? If not, it's left to common sense?
  - nephanth 4y ago
    In France they're banned from highways, but legal on most other roads. In practice though, since they're limited to 45 km/h, people avoid driving them on anything way faster than that
kube-system 4y ago
The idea is that they're not intended to be used in most vehicle traffic. Their intended purpose is more like the way people use golf carts in the US. And often, they fall under the same or similar regulations. If you look at the spec sheets, really the main difference between these and a golf cart are the doors. There's nothing wrong with that, if that's what you need. But it ain't a car, at least not for people in North America.
benj111 4y ago
So do bicycles need airbags and side impact protection and abs too then?
- gtirloni 4y ago
  Bike lanes.
  - benj111 4y ago
    What country on earth has a full bike lane network? Even the Netherlands doesn't. So what are you advocating? That bikes be banned until that infra is on place, or forcing all bikes to have the same safety standards as new cars (because old cars don't have all this stuff)?
    - gtirloni 4y ago
      I'm not advocating anything. I was discussing NEVs and cars.

imoverclocked 4y ago

You shouldn’t be on roads that are heavily trafficked by fast moving vehicles with this kind of vehicle in the first place. I own an electric Ranger (not Highway legal) for around my place and it fills a real need. There is no need for airbags or anything of the like on it. I didn’t even bother purchasing it with a windshield. The biggest threat to me in that vehicle is the dense vegetation and steep hills I often drive through. I think there is an expectation around safety levels of different kinds of vehicles. If I buy a car that is capable of going 100mph, I expect it to have features that will help me survive a crash in those conditions. However, a motorcycle is a completely different kind of vehicle with different expectations. I don’t think a reasonable motorcyclist expects any thing remotely close in safety to that of a car despite also being able to reach the same conditions.

gtirloni 4y ago
*> You shouldn’t be on roads that are heavily trafficked Please help me understand. NEVs are road-worthy but not all-roads-worthy? Is there any law against NEVs in heavily trafficked roads? If not, it's left to common sense?
- nephanth 4y ago
  In France they're banned from highways, but legal on most other roads. In practice though, since they're limited to 45 km/h, people avoid driving them on anything way faster than that

kube-system 4y ago

The idea is that they're not intended to be used in most vehicle traffic. Their intended purpose is more like the way people use golf carts in the US. And often, they fall under the same or similar regulations. If you look at the spec sheets, really the main difference between these and a golf cart are the doors. There's nothing wrong with that, if that's what you need. But it ain't a car, at least not for people in North America.

benj111 4y ago

So do bicycles need airbags and side impact protection and abs too then?

gtirloni 4y ago
Bike lanes.
- benj111 4y ago
  What country on earth has a full bike lane network? Even the Netherlands doesn't. So what are you advocating? That bikes be banned until that infra is on place, or forcing all bikes to have the same safety standards as new cars (because old cars don't have all this stuff)?
  - gtirloni 4y ago
    I'm not advocating anything. I was discussing NEVs and cars.