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Good for you. That does not invalidate the point of a mean of transport alternative to big empty cars riding one person each and to bikes, that ride one person

Good for you. That does not invalidate the point of a mean of transport alternative to big empty cars riding one person each and to bikes, that ride one person each and have no trunk. Bikes are also more dangerous than small slow 4 wheeled vehicles. Because, you know, bikes don't stand on their own, their braking abilities are very limited due to very thin tyres, they have no stop and turn signals, no rearview mirrors, etc etc Cars are expensive because of safety devices and regulations, not because a box of metal with an engine could not be built for a couple of thousands euros. ALSO the subway is much faster than a bike, cost much less and does not interfere with pedestrian walking spaces, I can pay 10 years of public transport with 1,200 euros. Of course bikers of HN will not like it, but cars are the killer app for private transportation, the ICE engine is an accident, it's their form factor that wins. Decades of design have been spent on them. while bikes are still the same old two wheelers now with an electric engine, so more like stripped down mopeds, not so great if you ask the majority of people who simply need to move and don't care about the flex. Please, don't be un parisien. p.s. I'm a biker and a pedestrian, I drive less than 100km a month, only when I have to and don't own a car since 10 years ago. But Ican't stand the attitude of many bikers that think that if they do it, everybody should or could do it. It's simply wrong.

ginko 4y ago
>Bikes are also more dangerous than small slow 4 wheeled vehicles. Cars are WAY more dangerous than bicycles.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Cars are WAY more dangerous than bicycles wrong. cars are more dangerous on average (the concept of average should be banned from any statistical analysis) because they travel many many many more kilometers than the average bike and mostly for very long distances at high speed. But if you notice, I wrote "than slow 4 wheeled cars". Ami is much safer than a bike, especially for the occupants. Example: there are 3.75 million cars in Rome urban area (5 million residents) There were 121 deaths last year caused by car accidents. It's 32 per million vehicles. Bike users deaths caused by street accidents have been 50 in the same year. Meanwhile the number of people brought to ER for either having an accident with an e-bike or and e-scooter have tripled in the past couple of years. Mostly is people falling on their own and hitting their head. Main two reasons: lost balance on the e-scooter, going too fast with their e-bike.
  - ginko 4y ago
    Try getting hit by either a >400kg Ami or a 20kg bike each going 20km/h and let me know the results.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      If you wanna have a conversation, please try at least to understand a few simple concepts. A bullet weights 50 grams. Would you prefer to be hit by a bike or a bullet?
      - ginko 4y ago
        A bullet has more kinetic energy because it's significantly faster than a bike. But a bike is actually slower than a car, even an Ami so I don't understand what argument you're trying to make here. Cars kill people every. single. day. All the traffic rules had to be created just because how dangerous and deadly cars are.
        peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > A bullet has more kinetic energy because it's significantly faster than a bike that's part of the problem. The bullet is also shaped to cause damages If the same 50 grams were a disc of few microns of thickness and a diameter of 50 cm, they would be much less dangerous. A bike is shaped like a battering ram, an Ami has to pass very rigorous safety tests and is shaped to cause the less damage possible on impact, because it's the law. So a bike going 20mph is more dangerous than an Ami going 25mph. Because the Ami has a real braking system and it's possible to maneuver it out of the danger zone at the same time. A bike is much harder to handle in emergency situations, because, you know, the aforementioned gyroscope effect does not work as flawlessly as having 4 stable wheels on the ground. Good news is that when a biker does some stupid shit, they can blame cars. Except that when a bike hits a pedestrian it usually causes grave damages, ask my cousin, who got a broken hip from a bike riding on the pavement. > All the traffic rules had to be created just because how dangerous and deadly cars are. That's like saying that rules around train safety were created after trains were invented. No sh*t Sherlock! Bike safety rules existed before, because bikes existed already.
agateau 4y ago
I used to take the subway in Paris. Now I ride a bike, carefully. I don't ignore traffic lights. And even riding this way I am always surprised that I'm faster than the subway. No connections, no wait, arriving directly at the exact destination helps. Not to mention no need to stand in an overcrowded metal box.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > I used to take the subway in Paris. yeah, the subway in Paris is not great, but that's mainly because a lot of people use it. one particular reason people feel they are fast using bikes is because a few people use them. it's always underestimated by bike users how terrible bike jams are. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resizer/2nIUJ2wOHIuaxiM6vvCLiL9DdPY=/arc-anglerfish-tgam-prod-tgam/public/RUSQ44N24FAKJAVFCN5OJMHAMA https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resizer/2nIUJ2wOHIuaxiM6vvCL... https://www.fastcompany.com/3052767/this-is-what-rush-hour-looks-like-in-copenhagen https://www.fastcompany.com/3052767/this-is-what-rush-hour-l... If you are the only one crossing a street with your bike, good, if you are in a lane with hundreds other people, not great. Paris has that problem with the subway, doesn't mean that the subway is slow, it is simply crowded. Bikes also seem faster because they break every rule in traffic, stopping at the traffic light is mostly about biker's own safety, but skipping traffic lanes it's not permitted by any traffic regulation and yet every biker does it (every two wheeler actually). This is what the average traffic light stop looks like where there are a lot of bikes or motorbikes. https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/crowd-motorbikes-stand-red-traffic-light-bangkok-thailand-june-congestion-ratchaprasong-junction-76136057.jpg https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/crowd-motorbikes-stand-red-t... https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/schema_org/public/images/News/Cyclists%20at%20traffic%20lights%20%28%C2%A9Toby%20Jacobs%29.jpg https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/schema_org/pu... Even in the presence of bike lanes, everyone tries to be in front, of course they are faster, they are literally cheating. I would be the fastest in every line, if i could skip it and pass in front of everyone else. Truth is other people would not like it, but we tolerate it for bikes (and motorbikes) for reasons I still don't fully comprehend. Paris has one real feature: it's a greatly enjoyable city to walk and a terrible city for bikes (or cars) So if you are in Paris, walk! Nobody can steal your feet! - As bicycling boomed in the French capital during the Covid pandemic, so has the number of stolen bikes. - “This is the worst place for bikes, The mafia networks are organized to steal them. With everyone currently riding bikes in Paris, it’s become a simple and easy way for thieves to make a lot of money.”

ginko 4y ago

>Bikes are also more dangerous than small slow 4 wheeled vehicles. Cars are WAY more dangerous than bicycles.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> Cars are WAY more dangerous than bicycles wrong. cars are more dangerous on average (the concept of average should be banned from any statistical analysis) because they travel many many many more kilometers than the average bike and mostly for very long distances at high speed. But if you notice, I wrote "than slow 4 wheeled cars". Ami is much safer than a bike, especially for the occupants. Example: there are 3.75 million cars in Rome urban area (5 million residents) There were 121 deaths last year caused by car accidents. It's 32 per million vehicles. Bike users deaths caused by street accidents have been 50 in the same year. Meanwhile the number of people brought to ER for either having an accident with an e-bike or and e-scooter have tripled in the past couple of years. Mostly is people falling on their own and hitting their head. Main two reasons: lost balance on the e-scooter, going too fast with their e-bike.
- ginko 4y ago
  Try getting hit by either a >400kg Ami or a 20kg bike each going 20km/h and let me know the results.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    If you wanna have a conversation, please try at least to understand a few simple concepts. A bullet weights 50 grams. Would you prefer to be hit by a bike or a bullet?
    - ginko 4y ago
      A bullet has more kinetic energy because it's significantly faster than a bike. But a bike is actually slower than a car, even an Ami so I don't understand what argument you're trying to make here. Cars kill people every. single. day. All the traffic rules had to be created just because how dangerous and deadly cars are.
      - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > A bullet has more kinetic energy because it's significantly faster than a bike that's part of the problem. The bullet is also shaped to cause damages If the same 50 grams were a disc of few microns of thickness and a diameter of 50 cm, they would be much less dangerous. A bike is shaped like a battering ram, an Ami has to pass very rigorous safety tests and is shaped to cause the less damage possible on impact, because it's the law. So a bike going 20mph is more dangerous than an Ami going 25mph. Because the Ami has a real braking system and it's possible to maneuver it out of the danger zone at the same time. A bike is much harder to handle in emergency situations, because, you know, the aforementioned gyroscope effect does not work as flawlessly as having 4 stable wheels on the ground. Good news is that when a biker does some stupid shit, they can blame cars. Except that when a bike hits a pedestrian it usually causes grave damages, ask my cousin, who got a broken hip from a bike riding on the pavement. > All the traffic rules had to be created just because how dangerous and deadly cars are. That's like saying that rules around train safety were created after trains were invented. No sh*t Sherlock! Bike safety rules existed before, because bikes existed already.

agateau 4y ago

I used to take the subway in Paris. Now I ride a bike, carefully. I don't ignore traffic lights. And even riding this way I am always surprised that I'm faster than the subway. No connections, no wait, arriving directly at the exact destination helps. Not to mention no need to stand in an overcrowded metal box.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> I used to take the subway in Paris. yeah, the subway in Paris is not great, but that's mainly because a lot of people use it. one particular reason people feel they are fast using bikes is because a few people use them. it's always underestimated by bike users how terrible bike jams are. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resizer/2nIUJ2wOHIuaxiM6vvCLiL9DdPY=/arc-anglerfish-tgam-prod-tgam/public/RUSQ44N24FAKJAVFCN5OJMHAMA https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resizer/2nIUJ2wOHIuaxiM6vvCL... https://www.fastcompany.com/3052767/this-is-what-rush-hour-looks-like-in-copenhagen https://www.fastcompany.com/3052767/this-is-what-rush-hour-l... If you are the only one crossing a street with your bike, good, if you are in a lane with hundreds other people, not great. Paris has that problem with the subway, doesn't mean that the subway is slow, it is simply crowded. Bikes also seem faster because they break every rule in traffic, stopping at the traffic light is mostly about biker's own safety, but skipping traffic lanes it's not permitted by any traffic regulation and yet every biker does it (every two wheeler actually). This is what the average traffic light stop looks like where there are a lot of bikes or motorbikes. https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/crowd-motorbikes-stand-red-traffic-light-bangkok-thailand-june-congestion-ratchaprasong-junction-76136057.jpg https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/crowd-motorbikes-stand-red-t... https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/schema_org/public/images/News/Cyclists%20at%20traffic%20lights%20%28%C2%A9Toby%20Jacobs%29.jpg https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/schema_org/pu... Even in the presence of bike lanes, everyone tries to be in front, of course they are faster, they are literally cheating. I would be the fastest in every line, if i could skip it and pass in front of everyone else. Truth is other people would not like it, but we tolerate it for bikes (and motorbikes) for reasons I still don't fully comprehend. Paris has one real feature: it's a greatly enjoyable city to walk and a terrible city for bikes (or cars) So if you are in Paris, walk! Nobody can steal your feet! - As bicycling boomed in the French capital during the Covid pandemic, so has the number of stolen bikes. - “This is the worst place for bikes, The mafia networks are organized to steal them. With everyone currently riding bikes in Paris, it’s become a simple and easy way for thieves to make a lot of money.”