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It has always been against the rules to cheat on your taxes. "We need to let people cheat more easily" is definitely not the right way of addressing financial i

It has always been against the rules to cheat on your taxes. "We need to let people cheat more easily" is definitely not the right way of addressing financial insecurity.

voakbasda 4y ago
We started a revolution in this country over tax on tea. Pinching the lower class like this might not end well for the government in the current socioeconomic climate. Personally, I look forward to the revolution.
- PopAlongKid 4y ago
  >We started a revolution in this country over tax on tea. That is not the full story. "American colonists objected to being taxed by the Parliament of Great Britain, a body in which they had no direct representation. "[0][emphasis added] It was taxation without representation that was the issue. Today in America, we have a similar issue for example with the citizens of California, who are woefully underpresented in Congress and the electoral college (because they only get the same two Senators as Wyoming despite having something like 60 times the population). [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
  - revlolz 4y ago
    Why did you intentionally omit the house of representatives where the number of seats is tied to population? The Senate's entire purpose is a balance of power between small states and larger ones where the people are represented in the house. Your post feels ignorant or deceitful.
    - stevesearer 4y ago
      It is also interesting that US senators used to be selected by each state legislature as opposed to by popular election because their original purpose was to represent the state as a sovereign entity as opposed to the people directly.
    - PopAlongKid 4y ago
      >citizens of California, who are woefully underpresented in Congress You don't know that Congress includes the House of Representatives? I did not "intentionally omit" anything. And I also mentioned the electoral college, which you "intentionally omitted".
      - tannedNerd 4y ago
        Except you did. You framed it as in totally congress is unbalanced because of the senate. To someone not from the US that distinction isn’t a material one and you used that to make it seem that there is no population balancing mechanism. So while you may not believe you were intentionally dishonest, it comes off that way to everyone else.
        PopAlongKid 4y ago
        >congress is unbalanced because of the senate Yes, that is exactly correct. Not only can laws only pass with the approval of both houses (they each have veto power over the other), but the Senate has extra privileges such as judicial and cabinet appointment approvals that do not allow direct representation. And stupid rules like the filibuster just amplify the effect. Ironic, isn't it, that while the American revolutionaries did not like taxation with representation, they deliberately created a system which, with the passage of the 16th amendment, enables just that.
        revlolz 4y ago
        Your view, deceitfully presented, is flawed and obtusly (seemingly purposely) ignores every component of the legislative branch in favor of your narrative. Your view of the filibuster is subjective and your stated irony is just a blatent falsehood crafted to sensationally push your agenda's daft poetic imaging.
      - revlolz 4y ago
        I stand by my criticism of your post.
  - jdhn 4y ago
    >Today in America, we have a similar issue for example with the citizens of California who are woefully underrepresented in Congress and the electoral college. Oh please. California has the most seats in the House of Representatives, the most electoral college votes, and the 2 senators per state was purposely done so that large states like California couldn't bully smaller states through their sheer size. Claiming that California is "woefully underrepresented" is just absurd and purposely ignorant.
    - feet 4y ago
      Yes, and now the majority of the country is bullied by the minority. Because that's better somehow?
      - barelysapient 4y ago
        That was the agreement required to get the little states to join the union.
      - tanseydavid 4y ago
        >> Yes, and now the majority of the country is bullied by the minority. Can you provide a couple of examples of this?
        feet 4y ago
        Best example is how representation in the federal government is diluted for the more populous states, States with more people have proportionally less say in the house than less populous states. If I live in California, my house representative represents more people than say montana
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    So have them propose legislation where they get rid of states and just have single government. Could even move all of the decision making in this single body. And for best democracy have all candidates in single pool and top vote winners get elected. Perfect and fair democracy where everyone has equal vote. Technically you could even get rid of all elected members and just run some blockchain or something and vote for laws that way...
    - zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
      Modified Tendermint consensus where each state is a validator
micromacrofoot 4y ago
the problem is that enforcement is already applied unevenly… for example, the IRS audits low income people at a much higher rate than the rich (https://trac.syr.edu/tracirs/latest/679/ https://trac.syr.edu/tracirs/latest/679/) So to me this sounds like the IRS continuing to pinch pennies from low and middle income americans instead of going after the people who twist the tax code to hoard wealth
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  The IRS not going after bigger tax cheats or not having the resources to is a separate problem.
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    funny how the “separate problems” that get solved first mostly affect poorer people
Kye 4y ago
A 1099k doesn't mean you owe taxes. All this change means is the IRS is going to waste a lot of money on useless information request notices to catch a few people who weren't reporting taxable income while causing stress for millions who already have enough forms to deal with.
- pxmpxm 4y ago
  This, gonna be a huge waste of time for everyone, since 99.99999999% of those things will involve people selling their used crap on ebay.

It has always been against the rules to cheat on your taxes. "We need to let people cheat more easily" is definitely not the right way of addressing financial insecurity.

voakbasda 4y ago

We started a revolution in this country over tax on tea. Pinching the lower class like this might not end well for the government in the current socioeconomic climate. Personally, I look forward to the revolution.

PopAlongKid 4y ago
>We started a revolution in this country over tax on tea. That is not the full story. "American colonists objected to being taxed by the Parliament of Great Britain, a body in which they had no direct representation. "[0][emphasis added] It was taxation without representation that was the issue. Today in America, we have a similar issue for example with the citizens of California, who are woefully underpresented in Congress and the electoral college (because they only get the same two Senators as Wyoming despite having something like 60 times the population). [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
- revlolz 4y ago
  Why did you intentionally omit the house of representatives where the number of seats is tied to population? The Senate's entire purpose is a balance of power between small states and larger ones where the people are represented in the house. Your post feels ignorant or deceitful.
  - stevesearer 4y ago
    It is also interesting that US senators used to be selected by each state legislature as opposed to by popular election because their original purpose was to represent the state as a sovereign entity as opposed to the people directly.
  - PopAlongKid 4y ago
    >citizens of California, who are woefully underpresented in Congress You don't know that Congress includes the House of Representatives? I did not "intentionally omit" anything. And I also mentioned the electoral college, which you "intentionally omitted".
    - tannedNerd 4y ago
      Except you did. You framed it as in totally congress is unbalanced because of the senate. To someone not from the US that distinction isn’t a material one and you used that to make it seem that there is no population balancing mechanism. So while you may not believe you were intentionally dishonest, it comes off that way to everyone else.
      - PopAlongKid 4y ago
        >congress is unbalanced because of the senate Yes, that is exactly correct. Not only can laws only pass with the approval of both houses (they each have veto power over the other), but the Senate has extra privileges such as judicial and cabinet appointment approvals that do not allow direct representation. And stupid rules like the filibuster just amplify the effect. Ironic, isn't it, that while the American revolutionaries did not like taxation with representation, they deliberately created a system which, with the passage of the 16th amendment, enables just that.
        revlolz 4y ago
        Your view, deceitfully presented, is flawed and obtusly (seemingly purposely) ignores every component of the legislative branch in favor of your narrative. Your view of the filibuster is subjective and your stated irony is just a blatent falsehood crafted to sensationally push your agenda's daft poetic imaging.
    - revlolz 4y ago
      I stand by my criticism of your post.
- jdhn 4y ago
  >Today in America, we have a similar issue for example with the citizens of California who are woefully underrepresented in Congress and the electoral college. Oh please. California has the most seats in the House of Representatives, the most electoral college votes, and the 2 senators per state was purposely done so that large states like California couldn't bully smaller states through their sheer size. Claiming that California is "woefully underrepresented" is just absurd and purposely ignorant.
  - feet 4y ago
    Yes, and now the majority of the country is bullied by the minority. Because that's better somehow?
    - barelysapient 4y ago
      That was the agreement required to get the little states to join the union.
    - tanseydavid 4y ago
      >> Yes, and now the majority of the country is bullied by the minority. Can you provide a couple of examples of this?
      - feet 4y ago
        Best example is how representation in the federal government is diluted for the more populous states, States with more people have proportionally less say in the house than less populous states. If I live in California, my house representative represents more people than say montana
- Ekaros 4y ago
  So have them propose legislation where they get rid of states and just have single government. Could even move all of the decision making in this single body. And for best democracy have all candidates in single pool and top vote winners get elected. Perfect and fair democracy where everyone has equal vote. Technically you could even get rid of all elected members and just run some blockchain or something and vote for laws that way...
  - zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
    Modified Tendermint consensus where each state is a validator

micromacrofoot 4y ago

the problem is that enforcement is already applied unevenly… for example, the IRS audits low income people at a much higher rate than the rich (https://trac.syr.edu/tracirs/latest/679/ https://trac.syr.edu/tracirs/latest/679/) So to me this sounds like the IRS continuing to pinch pennies from low and middle income americans instead of going after the people who twist the tax code to hoard wealth

lotsofpulp 4y ago
The IRS not going after bigger tax cheats or not having the resources to is a separate problem.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  funny how the “separate problems” that get solved first mostly affect poorer people

Kye 4y ago

A 1099k doesn't mean you owe taxes. All this change means is the IRS is going to waste a lot of money on useless information request notices to catch a few people who weren't reporting taxable income while causing stress for millions who already have enough forms to deal with.

pxmpxm 4y ago
This, gonna be a huge waste of time for everyone, since 99.99999999% of those things will involve people selling their used crap on ebay.