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> No normal, rational human being would want to cover their face We’re raised to cover our bodies in clothes. You accept that as normal but draw the line at co

> No normal, rational human being would want to cover their face We’re raised to cover our bodies in clothes. You accept that as normal but draw the line at covering your face? Edit: Updated the quote I was replying to.

phatfish 4y ago
Saudi Arabia has the climate that one could survive without clothes. In many other places you would be very cold. In the coldest places it is even necessary for someone to cover their face to avoid frostbite. Let's not pretend enforced face covering anything except the subjection of the female sex. "Enforced" includes the peer pressure to conform even if it's not breaking a law.
- zakki 4y ago
  We are enforced to pay income tax. We accept it. And that is not a problem. Why a religion that enforced its law to its follower become a problem?
  - adammarples 4y ago
    Well a) lots of people do have a problem with income tax but at least b) it is spent on public goods, not just burned. What is the great public good of forcing women to cover their faces? This argument is so broad as to be meaningless. Oh I'm sorry, we have income tax so what's wrong with <travesty>?
  - wwtrv 4y ago
    If you can't tell the differ between paying income tax and executing women who try to resist being raped (or imprisoning those who don't), there isn't much point in having a good faith discussion with you, is it?
  - rajup 4y ago
    Umm taxes are a by-product of laws which in most cases come about by representative democracy. Not some 1500 year old book written by some randos, which happens to be set in stone.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    > Why a religion that enforced its law to its follower become a problem? Does Sharia law not apply to unbelievers? Do followers choose the faith only in adulthood? Or are people involuntarily indoctrinated from birth? Are apostates and unbelievers granted the same rights and privileges as everyone else?
- wwtrv 4y ago
  > that one could survive without clothes I'd love to see you to try and survive naked in the desert for an extended period of time. Temperature isn't everything. Also at night it might get pretty cold.
MikeDelta 4y ago
I draw the line at the gender inequality where only women have to do this or they get beaten by men.
watwut 4y ago
Probably because taking down hijab is symbol and first thing to do when there are protests against muslim religious dictatorships. It is also a thing ex Muslim women complains about a lot. It is a thing that systematically and repeatedly ceases to be worn the moment you remove violence and threats from the equation. Muslim states including Saudi Arabia exert considerable violence against women disagreeing with these laws. They would not needed the violence if it was all voluntary.

phatfish 4y ago

Saudi Arabia has the climate that one could survive without clothes. In many other places you would be very cold. In the coldest places it is even necessary for someone to cover their face to avoid frostbite. Let's not pretend enforced face covering anything except the subjection of the female sex. "Enforced" includes the peer pressure to conform even if it's not breaking a law.

zakki 4y ago
We are enforced to pay income tax. We accept it. And that is not a problem. Why a religion that enforced its law to its follower become a problem?
- adammarples 4y ago
  Well a) lots of people do have a problem with income tax but at least b) it is spent on public goods, not just burned. What is the great public good of forcing women to cover their faces? This argument is so broad as to be meaningless. Oh I'm sorry, we have income tax so what's wrong with <travesty>?
- wwtrv 4y ago
  If you can't tell the differ between paying income tax and executing women who try to resist being raped (or imprisoning those who don't), there isn't much point in having a good faith discussion with you, is it?
- rajup 4y ago
  Umm taxes are a by-product of laws which in most cases come about by representative democracy. Not some 1500 year old book written by some randos, which happens to be set in stone.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  > Why a religion that enforced its law to its follower become a problem? Does Sharia law not apply to unbelievers? Do followers choose the faith only in adulthood? Or are people involuntarily indoctrinated from birth? Are apostates and unbelievers granted the same rights and privileges as everyone else?
wwtrv 4y ago
> that one could survive without clothes I'd love to see you to try and survive naked in the desert for an extended period of time. Temperature isn't everything. Also at night it might get pretty cold.

MikeDelta 4y ago

I draw the line at the gender inequality where only women have to do this or they get beaten by men.

watwut 4y ago

Probably because taking down hijab is symbol and first thing to do when there are protests against muslim religious dictatorships. It is also a thing ex Muslim women complains about a lot. It is a thing that systematically and repeatedly ceases to be worn the moment you remove violence and threats from the equation. Muslim states including Saudi Arabia exert considerable violence against women disagreeing with these laws. They would not needed the violence if it was all voluntary.