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Doesn't seem very trustworthy either. Meuller was probably one of those "Elon managers" and I don't see any merit of doing public denial on his "genius engineer

Doesn't seem very trustworthy either. Meuller was probably one of those "Elon managers" and I don't see any merit of doing public denial on his "genius engineer" narrative. And overruling low level eng decisions which don't make business sense is a typical CEO job. Every single competent tech CEO does that everyday, Elon is not a special case. Although I have a decent level of respects for a businessman Elon Musk in that he made several successful long term bets based on his physics/economics backgrounds, but this doesn't necessarily mean that I have to agree with his own narcissistic narrative. We also need to draw a clear line between the reality and his narrative as well as recently developed anti-Elon rhetoric.

torginus 4y ago
Tbh, I think the biggest issue with kissasses and yes men most powerful narcissistic people tend to surround themselves with is that they'll isolate them in a bubble of their bad decisions. This leads to companies 'backing the wrong horse' for too long and investing way too much resources and time into projects that are doomed to fail. Imo this is what we've seen traditional US aerospace companies do for decades - the SLS is the most egregious example of this. In contrast Musk has walked back many times on ideas that turned out not to make sense - propulsive Dragon landing, numerous Starship redesigns etc. In my opinion that ability has proven to be one of his greatest asset.
martindbp 4y ago
> Every single competent tech CEO does that everyday, Elon is not a special case Not a special case, but different in the matter of degree. Every person (and CEO) is unique, but I think Elon stands out on a few dimensions, 1. raw tenacity, this guy just does not quit, 2. first principles thinking, 3. great at finding the right talent. I don't think any other CEO could make SpaceX work. Definitely not as a part time CEO/founder while also building Tesla. Bezos tried half heartedly and had very limited success. Zuck has yet to prove he can succeed outside of Facebook, Gates perhaps if he had the interest. Jobs seems to share many qualities but not the technical/engineering chops (although I think he knew more than people give him credit for). That said he's not a superman hero, but we can still marvel at he's done. > We also need to draw a clear line between the reality and his narrative as well as recently developed anti-Elon rhetoric. Agreed
tester756 4y ago
How many people working at SpaceX have to say good things about Elon to make you believe?

torginus 4y ago

Tbh, I think the biggest issue with kissasses and yes men most powerful narcissistic people tend to surround themselves with is that they'll isolate them in a bubble of their bad decisions. This leads to companies 'backing the wrong horse' for too long and investing way too much resources and time into projects that are doomed to fail. Imo this is what we've seen traditional US aerospace companies do for decades - the SLS is the most egregious example of this. In contrast Musk has walked back many times on ideas that turned out not to make sense - propulsive Dragon landing, numerous Starship redesigns etc. In my opinion that ability has proven to be one of his greatest asset.

martindbp 4y ago

> Every single competent tech CEO does that everyday, Elon is not a special case Not a special case, but different in the matter of degree. Every person (and CEO) is unique, but I think Elon stands out on a few dimensions, 1. raw tenacity, this guy just does not quit, 2. first principles thinking, 3. great at finding the right talent. I don't think any other CEO could make SpaceX work. Definitely not as a part time CEO/founder while also building Tesla. Bezos tried half heartedly and had very limited success. Zuck has yet to prove he can succeed outside of Facebook, Gates perhaps if he had the interest. Jobs seems to share many qualities but not the technical/engineering chops (although I think he knew more than people give him credit for). That said he's not a superman hero, but we can still marvel at he's done. > We also need to draw a clear line between the reality and his narrative as well as recently developed anti-Elon rhetoric. Agreed

tester756 4y ago

How many people working at SpaceX have to say good things about Elon to make you believe?