> To industrialized abuse ... I don't know, 95+% ? > That you don't see a problem to solve ... You can solve it by not participating. > Go look at the Wikip

> To industrialized abuse ... I don't know, 95+% ? > That you don't see a problem to solve ... You can solve it by not participating. > Go look at the Wikipedia page for the film ... The film is (mostly) compilation of the responses of health professionals, some passages are debatable, and i'm not ready to defend the work. I haven't linked any scientific sources, because those are biased as well - you can always find sources from both camps. I've linked this film because it's easy to digest and covers some of the areas where you're so off. But you haven't looked (i'm pretty sure) at any link i've provided previously. > The explanation that was given to me for this practice was to protect the calfs, which makes sense to me ... Beef calves are kept with their mothers. Where there is a profit motive (milk), calves are taken away. Where there isn't, calves are kept with their mothers. Hmm. Maybe just milk cows are horrible mothers? > That's part of their job! Job? You're surely joking. > Animals. Aren't. People! They don't talk (as we do). They don't think as we do. But they have intelligence, and are capable of suffering. Isn't it enough? > ... also nowhere close to true. Producing milk does not leave the cow exhausted and crippled ... Absent farming needs, cows have a typical lifespan of 15 to 20 years. That lifespan could even understate their longevity. Guinness World Records lists the oldest cow as 48 years and nine months old. https://a-z-animals.com/blog/cow-lifespan-how-long-do-cows-live/ https://a-z-animals.com/blog/cow-lifespan-how-long-do-cows-l... > Producing milk does not leave the cow exhausted and crippled ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI - dairy industry in 5 minutes https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch > Human thriving This again. We don't have to cause suffering by eating meat or milk to thrive. But sure, go and rationalize your behaviour away. > did you know basically all of your food has an allowable percentage of rat poop Yep. > I'm hip to the medical implications of milk and not personally worried Until it personally touches you. All humans are like that. > We depend on B-12 producing bacteria in ruminant stomachs... And where those bacteria comes from? Calves stomachs are not working the same way as adults' are. "The rumen, reticulum and omasum remain undeveloped at birth and during the first few weeks of life. The calf’s largest stomach compartment is the abomasum. At this stage of life, the rumen doesn’t function and thus some feeds that mature cows can digest, calves can not. " "The rumen will remain undeveloped as long as the calf stays on milk. Once the calf begins eating grain and forage, a microbial population will develop in the rumen and reticulum. The end products from microbial fermentation are responsible for developing the rumen. Calves don’t need cud inoculation to start rumen development." https://extension.umn.edu/dairy-nutrition/ruminant-digestive-system https://extension.umn.edu/dairy-nutrition/ruminant-digestive... Hm. What about animal agriculture destroying the planet? No response there? Anyhow. I think that it's you who see the world as black and white. You have things you choose not to see. You rationalize away your actions to be able to thrive on food your tastes buds like so much. Your critique of veganism is selective and misguided. So let's agree to disagree. Wish you enough courage to be able to see the truth. Howgh.