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i think that's also rubbish, just like PG's written opinion piece. How on earth did we then get the great work by William Shakespeare. ShakeSPeare born a time w

i think that's also rubbish, just like PG's written opinion piece. How on earth did we then get the great work by William Shakespeare. ShakeSPeare born a time when reading a lot wasn't even possible. There was little to none good content material out there. He was writing more than he could have possible read anywhere else.

mikebenfield 4y ago
So you are under the belief that the written output of one man born in 1564 was of greater quantity than all “good” writing prior to his time? Are you sure you thought this through?
- zktrust 4y ago
  no i am not under the belief of anything other than mentioning PG in a slightly bad light will get me downvotes or a ban on this platform. > So you are under the belief that the written output of one man born in 1564 was of greater quantity than all “good” writing prior to his time? Are you sure you thought this through? This is not the point i was trying to make.
  - mikebenfield 4y ago
    I am not a huge fan of PG and I seriously doubt that had anything to do with your downvotes.
  - inglor_cz 4y ago
    It is not PG, it is your sneering and arrogant attitude that attracts downvotes. I haven't downvoted you, but if I did, it would be for the tone of your comments alone. I don't care about PG one way or another, but I am sick of the total level of glibness on the Internet, and while I gave up on mainstream social media, I would prefer HN to stay a little bit friendlier and less toxic than Twitter or Reddit.
    - zktrust 4y ago
      thank you for not downvoting me. i am less arrogant than you think i am a true effective altruist. hahahahaha
      - inglor_cz 4y ago
        You're welcome. Transmitting one's true personality across TCP/IP is harder than it looks.
pavlov 4y ago
Shakespeare wrote about Julius Caesar, Titus Andronicus, Richard III, Henry IV, and so on. How did he learn about these people if there was nothing to read?
- zktrust 4y ago
  u make one hell of a point that i thought about. this is recursion but in different languages, which is not really applicable with exception of Richard and Henry. Read in latin, then translate it to THE ORIGINAL OTHER LANGUAGE ENGLISH. You are diluting my genuine point that I am making. The content of way back then was negligible to content that exists now. In all fairness, the opinion brought forward by your messiah PG is not really fit for standing judgement because of the point i brought forward. Good writer, good idea makers exist without the need to have been good at reading.
  - arcturus17 4y ago
    > The content of way back then was negligible to content that exists now But enough to fill a single person's lifetime regardless? So whether you take Shakespeare or Murakami, their individual perspectives are not that different since either of them could have filled their lifetimes with reading. > The content of way back then was negligible to content that exists now The burden of proof remains on you. You need to find us an example of an outstanding writer who didn't read much. This doesn't even hold for the classics (eg, Marcus Aurelius or Plato) as far as I can tell. > your messiah PG This is low-level, disrespectful, intellectually dishonest and a phallacy. GP said nothing about Graham and you are pulling this out of nowhere.
    - zktrust 4y ago
      the last point was for a different thread but as u see platform has been making sure i cant respond in timely fashion to all threads. I sequeezed it in there. > The burden of proof remains on you. You need to find us an example of an outstanding writer who didn't read much. This doesn't even hold for the classics (eg, Marcus Aurelius or Plato) as far as I can tell. I think it's fair to say that we don't actually know much about Plato. All stories being told about plato are in third person narrative. I think you are contradicting yourself, Socrates and other ancients were a big proponent of discarding writing in place of dialogue. I think this should suffice as point.

mikebenfield 4y ago

So you are under the belief that the written output of one man born in 1564 was of greater quantity than all “good” writing prior to his time? Are you sure you thought this through?

zktrust 4y ago
no i am not under the belief of anything other than mentioning PG in a slightly bad light will get me downvotes or a ban on this platform. > So you are under the belief that the written output of one man born in 1564 was of greater quantity than all “good” writing prior to his time? Are you sure you thought this through? This is not the point i was trying to make.
- mikebenfield 4y ago
  I am not a huge fan of PG and I seriously doubt that had anything to do with your downvotes.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  It is not PG, it is your sneering and arrogant attitude that attracts downvotes. I haven't downvoted you, but if I did, it would be for the tone of your comments alone. I don't care about PG one way or another, but I am sick of the total level of glibness on the Internet, and while I gave up on mainstream social media, I would prefer HN to stay a little bit friendlier and less toxic than Twitter or Reddit.
  - zktrust 4y ago
    thank you for not downvoting me. i am less arrogant than you think i am a true effective altruist. hahahahaha
    - inglor_cz 4y ago
      You're welcome. Transmitting one's true personality across TCP/IP is harder than it looks.

pavlov 4y ago

Shakespeare wrote about Julius Caesar, Titus Andronicus, Richard III, Henry IV, and so on. How did he learn about these people if there was nothing to read?

zktrust 4y ago
u make one hell of a point that i thought about. this is recursion but in different languages, which is not really applicable with exception of Richard and Henry. Read in latin, then translate it to THE ORIGINAL OTHER LANGUAGE ENGLISH. You are diluting my genuine point that I am making. The content of way back then was negligible to content that exists now. In all fairness, the opinion brought forward by your messiah PG is not really fit for standing judgement because of the point i brought forward. Good writer, good idea makers exist without the need to have been good at reading.
- arcturus17 4y ago
  > The content of way back then was negligible to content that exists now But enough to fill a single person's lifetime regardless? So whether you take Shakespeare or Murakami, their individual perspectives are not that different since either of them could have filled their lifetimes with reading. > The content of way back then was negligible to content that exists now The burden of proof remains on you. You need to find us an example of an outstanding writer who didn't read much. This doesn't even hold for the classics (eg, Marcus Aurelius or Plato) as far as I can tell. > your messiah PG This is low-level, disrespectful, intellectually dishonest and a phallacy. GP said nothing about Graham and you are pulling this out of nowhere.
  - zktrust 4y ago
    the last point was for a different thread but as u see platform has been making sure i cant respond in timely fashion to all threads. I sequeezed it in there. > The burden of proof remains on you. You need to find us an example of an outstanding writer who didn't read much. This doesn't even hold for the classics (eg, Marcus Aurelius or Plato) as far as I can tell. I think it's fair to say that we don't actually know much about Plato. All stories being told about plato are in third person narrative. I think you are contradicting yourself, Socrates and other ancients were a big proponent of discarding writing in place of dialogue. I think this should suffice as point.