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The title and the site's abstract says "Peacemaker" but it seems to be about the well-known Peacekeeper missile.

dylan604 4y ago
"I cherish peace with all of my heart. I don’t care how many men, women and children I kill to get it." These'll definitely help ratchet up that body count
- colechristensen 4y ago
  Nuclear weapons ushered in a period of peace never before seen in human history. Death rates in war have been at historic lows post WWII.
  - raisin_churn 4y ago
    Post hoc ergo propter hoc
    - alex_sf 4y ago
      Ok, then what else explains the long peace?
      - drewm1980 4y ago
        Unsustainable prosperity fueled by fossil fuels.
        alex_sf 4y ago
        We had fossil fuels during both world wars.
      - fjkgfifjfuvf 4y ago
        the many men, women and children they kill daily to get it. just because there's no colonial empires fighting each other, doesn't mean there's peace.
        alex_sf 4y ago
        The number of people killed 'daily' is vastly less than it has been at any other point in history. Why is it more peaceful now?
      - geysersam 4y ago
        Trade, democracy?
        alex_sf 4y ago
        The Greeks and Romans had varying levels of democracy and vast trade networks for hundreds (arguably thousands) of years.
  - vkou 4y ago
    Maybe for citizens of major imperial powers, but looking at a global picture, they've regressed us to the mean. https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-years https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-yea... (Logarithmic scale, does not include the conflicts of the past 20 years)
  - fooblaster 4y ago
    For now, maybe. It only takes one escalation or a series of unfortunate mistakes for this status quo to shift dramatically, over the course of a few hours.
chucksmash 4y ago
No reason for article not to be consistent, but as a piece of trivia it seems it was originally called the "Peacemaker" before undergoing a name change[1]. November 1982 article[2]: > In addition to the hard time the Reagan Administration had in finding a home for the MX missile, the Government also had a hard time finding a name for the new weapon. > Until today, the experimental missile was to have been called "Peacemaker." But at the last minute, according to Administration officials, it was changed to "Peacekeeper." > The officials said someone decided that "Peacemaker" was too close to "pacemaker." [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper#Deployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper#Deployment [2]: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/23/us/peacemaker-loses-missile-name-game.html https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/23/us/peacemaker-loses-missi...
dang 4y ago
Changed now. Thanks!

"I cherish peace with all of my heart. I don’t care how many men, women and children I kill to get it." These'll definitely help ratchet up that body count

colechristensen 4y ago
Nuclear weapons ushered in a period of peace never before seen in human history. Death rates in war have been at historic lows post WWII.
- raisin_churn 4y ago
  Post hoc ergo propter hoc
  - alex_sf 4y ago
    Ok, then what else explains the long peace?
    - drewm1980 4y ago
      Unsustainable prosperity fueled by fossil fuels.
      - alex_sf 4y ago
        We had fossil fuels during both world wars.
    - fjkgfifjfuvf 4y ago
      the many men, women and children they kill daily to get it. just because there's no colonial empires fighting each other, doesn't mean there's peace.
      - alex_sf 4y ago
        The number of people killed 'daily' is vastly less than it has been at any other point in history. Why is it more peaceful now?
    - geysersam 4y ago
      Trade, democracy?
      - alex_sf 4y ago
        The Greeks and Romans had varying levels of democracy and vast trade networks for hundreds (arguably thousands) of years.
- vkou 4y ago
  Maybe for citizens of major imperial powers, but looking at a global picture, they've regressed us to the mean. https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-years https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-yea... (Logarithmic scale, does not include the conflicts of the past 20 years)
- fooblaster 4y ago
  For now, maybe. It only takes one escalation or a series of unfortunate mistakes for this status quo to shift dramatically, over the course of a few hours.

chucksmash 4y ago

No reason for article not to be consistent, but as a piece of trivia it seems it was originally called the "Peacemaker" before undergoing a name change[1]. November 1982 article[2]: > In addition to the hard time the Reagan Administration had in finding a home for the MX missile, the Government also had a hard time finding a name for the new weapon. > Until today, the experimental missile was to have been called "Peacemaker." But at the last minute, according to Administration officials, it was changed to "Peacekeeper." > The officials said someone decided that "Peacemaker" was too close to "pacemaker." [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper#Deployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper#Deployment [2]: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/23/us/peacemaker-loses-missile-name-game.html https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/23/us/peacemaker-loses-missi...

dang 4y ago

Changed now. Thanks!