>> And your next point - war. > You're clearly an american. Your country is the only country in the world being involved in wars constantly for 250+ years, ach

>> And your next point - war. > You're clearly an american. Your country is the only country in the world being involved in wars constantly for 250+ years, achieving so little for so high a price. Your viewpoints mirror the indocrination you've received. It does not reflect reality either. Impressive. I didn't defend the average war in general, or any specific war. I certainly didn't defend perpetual war, any particularly American doctine of war, or indeed any particular philosophy of war at all. What I said was that war is good sometimes (a viewpoint that almost all people hold -- even if we disagree strenuously about how much and when and where and why), and that its conduct, no matter how good the cause, requires the ability accept to causing some horror in the context of a bigger picture. You read past all of that and jumped straight to a horrible example you can associate with the concept and accused me of believing in that. That is hilariously on the nose. That is exactly what I'm talking about. That's the style of reasoning I find so typical of veganism, that appears to be to be unhinged. If I'm defending war, I must be defending industrialized perpetual war for any reason, I must be the worst possible person you could associate with any concept of war and they only way for me to have your approval is to give it up entirely. Evil, run away, run away! If I'm defending eating meat, I must be in favor of eating all animals, I must be in favor of doing absolutely anything to them along the way. If I'm willing to kill animals, I must not care about their welfare. No room for tradeoffs or distinctions. No grey. Black and white. Guilt by association is real and travels along the most logically tenuous lines and justifies extreme responses and viciously aggressive social judgement. To get anywhere close to something horrible that can be associated with a concept, anywhere, anytime, mandates running screaming in the opposite direction. That. Looks unhinged. That is why the perspective doesn't come off to me as admirable, but as unwell.