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Yeah, Adam Ragusea has a decent video[0] covering PFAS coating safety and production concerns; I hadn't realized how bad the factory side of things were prior t

by fire 4y ago

Yeah, Adam Ragusea has a decent video[0] covering PFAS coating safety and production concerns; I hadn't realized how bad the factory side of things were prior to this - I only knew that overheating a teflon coated pan will destroy the coating, release toxic gas, and... kill any pet birds in your apartment :( 0: https://youtu.be/vZ1KmVmpC8o https://youtu.be/vZ1KmVmpC8o

fire 4y ago
my cliff notes for teflon non-stick: · Don't use high heat, ever; you will destroy the coating and release toxic gas · Don't leave the pan to get too hot over medium/low heat either; if a teflon pan ever smokes, you have officially fucked up. · Don't use hard/sharp utensils against the pan; you will scrape off the coating · Don't clean the pan with abrasive scrubbers; you will scrape off the coating · Do use soft plastic, silicone, or wood utensils; these shouldn't damage the coating · Do wipe the pan after use, while the remnants of cooking are still hot ( honestly this is just a general tip; I always wipe out my carbon steel pan after use as well ) · Do use a soft cloth or sponge and warm / hot water to clean the pan when hand washing; just like seasoned pans, you shouldn't need to clean them with actual soap all that often, but a light once over every so often will not hurt at all and helps mitigate dust/general grime. · Do soak the pan if you have somehow managed to carbonize food onto the pan; attempting to pry off stuck burned food can pull off parts of the coating. Personally though I'd recommend a stainless or carbon steel ( cast iron if you don't mind the weight ) and seasoning it, or basically anything with a ceramic coating ( all cliff notes apply to ceramic as well, but due to general coating damage concerns rather than ptfe's production of toxic gas and generation of microplastic granules )
baxtr 4y ago
PFTE is different from PFAS.
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago
  This is wrong, PTFE is a PFAS. PFAS is a family of Per or poly fluoroalkyl substances. Basically it's a group of substances that have very long ass Carbon and Flour chains.
  - exmadscientist 4y ago
    However you want to define your acronym of choice, it is disingenuous to conflate the fully fluorinated stuff (PTFE and PFA) with the partially fluorinated stuff (PFOA etc). They are very different beasts. All current evidence is that (after manufacturing) PTFE and PFA are as harmless as anything else out there. The partially fluorinated stuff is nasty.
  - refurb 4y ago
    No, they aren't the same. https://www.epa.gov/pfas/pfas-explained https://www.epa.gov/pfas/pfas-explained PTFE is a polymeric plastic. They don't fit this definition by the EPA "PFAS are found in the blood of people and animals all over the world and are present at low levels in a variety of food products and in the environment." You could argue that the precursors to PTFE are included (but not really, since PTFE is made from a gas).

by fire 4y ago

fire 4y ago

my cliff notes for teflon non-stick: · Don't use high heat, ever; you will destroy the coating and release toxic gas · Don't leave the pan to get too hot over medium/low heat either; if a teflon pan ever smokes, you have officially fucked up. · Don't use hard/sharp utensils against the pan; you will scrape off the coating · Don't clean the pan with abrasive scrubbers; you will scrape off the coating · Do use soft plastic, silicone, or wood utensils; these shouldn't damage the coating · Do wipe the pan after use, while the remnants of cooking are still hot ( honestly this is just a general tip; I always wipe out my carbon steel pan after use as well ) · Do use a soft cloth or sponge and warm / hot water to clean the pan when hand washing; just like seasoned pans, you shouldn't need to clean them with actual soap all that often, but a light once over every so often will not hurt at all and helps mitigate dust/general grime. · Do soak the pan if you have somehow managed to carbonize food onto the pan; attempting to pry off stuck burned food can pull off parts of the coating. Personally though I'd recommend a stainless or carbon steel ( cast iron if you don't mind the weight ) and seasoning it, or basically anything with a ceramic coating ( all cliff notes apply to ceramic as well, but due to general coating damage concerns rather than ptfe's production of toxic gas and generation of microplastic granules )

baxtr 4y ago

PFTE is different from PFAS.

DoingIsLearning 4y ago
This is wrong, PTFE is a PFAS. PFAS is a family of Per or poly fluoroalkyl substances. Basically it's a group of substances that have very long ass Carbon and Flour chains.
- exmadscientist 4y ago
  However you want to define your acronym of choice, it is disingenuous to conflate the fully fluorinated stuff (PTFE and PFA) with the partially fluorinated stuff (PFOA etc). They are very different beasts. All current evidence is that (after manufacturing) PTFE and PFA are as harmless as anything else out there. The partially fluorinated stuff is nasty.
- refurb 4y ago
  No, they aren't the same. https://www.epa.gov/pfas/pfas-explained https://www.epa.gov/pfas/pfas-explained PTFE is a polymeric plastic. They don't fit this definition by the EPA "PFAS are found in the blood of people and animals all over the world and are present at low levels in a variety of food products and in the environment." You could argue that the precursors to PTFE are included (but not really, since PTFE is made from a gas).