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Haven't quite reached the ceiling yet. Go parenless. https://www.draketo.de/software/wisp https://www.draketo.de/software/wisp

donio 4y ago
Ugh, to me that's strictly worse. Not really any more terse, harder to read, harder to parse, harder to navigate.
Asooka 4y ago
I see lines that start with punctuation as incredibly ugly, so that to me is strictly worse.
JonChesterfield 4y ago
This makes copy and paste between files or to/from a repl _really_ annoying. Splice a delimited sequence anywhere and auto-format is categorically better.
- erik_seaberg 4y ago
  I'm still convinced Ruby almost displaced Python because of those years where web forums would just shred any Python you wanted to talk about.
  - KerrAvon 4y ago
    You couldn’t round trip Python through Apple Mail either. To be clear, though Ruby’s massive popularity was entirely due to the advent of Rails. Ruby is a fantastic language — Smalltalk object model with GC and a usable syntax! — but the English documentation was nonexistent or incomplete — even after the “Pragmatic Programmers” book massively increased the Ruby audience — and the core team was all Japanese, so there wasn’t ever much of a constituency for the core language outside of Japan. The unfortunate thing is that Rails soured a lot of people on Ruby. (People don’t understand that a lot of what they encounter with Rails is dialect, not the thing itself. Ruby makes it easy to build dialects.)
phforms 4y ago
Structural editing is one of the amazing things you get for free in Lisps, but I cannot imagine how it could be done without parentheses. I also don’t really find it more readable without them, but it might just come down to what you’re used to. Alas, this is a nice experiment nonetheless.
avindroth 4y ago
This basically happens in my mind when looking at Lisp code. Parens are just handles that allow me to manipulate the expressions for structural editing.

donio 4y ago

Ugh, to me that's strictly worse. Not really any more terse, harder to read, harder to parse, harder to navigate.

Asooka 4y ago

I see lines that start with punctuation as incredibly ugly, so that to me is strictly worse.

JonChesterfield 4y ago

This makes copy and paste between files or to/from a repl _really_ annoying. Splice a delimited sequence anywhere and auto-format is categorically better.

erik_seaberg 4y ago
I'm still convinced Ruby almost displaced Python because of those years where web forums would just shred any Python you wanted to talk about.
- KerrAvon 4y ago
  You couldn’t round trip Python through Apple Mail either. To be clear, though Ruby’s massive popularity was entirely due to the advent of Rails. Ruby is a fantastic language — Smalltalk object model with GC and a usable syntax! — but the English documentation was nonexistent or incomplete — even after the “Pragmatic Programmers” book massively increased the Ruby audience — and the core team was all Japanese, so there wasn’t ever much of a constituency for the core language outside of Japan. The unfortunate thing is that Rails soured a lot of people on Ruby. (People don’t understand that a lot of what they encounter with Rails is dialect, not the thing itself. Ruby makes it easy to build dialects.)

phforms 4y ago

Structural editing is one of the amazing things you get for free in Lisps, but I cannot imagine how it could be done without parentheses. I also don’t really find it more readable without them, but it might just come down to what you’re used to. Alas, this is a nice experiment nonetheless.

avindroth 4y ago

This basically happens in my mind when looking at Lisp code. Parens are just handles that allow me to manipulate the expressions for structural editing.