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We would have done Ukraine a huge favor if we hadn’t involved ourselves in their internal politics at all. No funding of NGOs, no attempts to integrate them in
by orbifold 4y ago
We would have done Ukraine a huge favor if we hadn’t involved ourselves in their internal politics at all. No funding of NGOs, no attempts to integrate them in EU or NATO. It is too late now, but the way that this had become a literal cottage industry of Ukraine think tanks even before this year, all the way back to the “Orange revolution”, did never correspond to the enthusiasm the average European have for Ukraine.
- jemmyw 4y agoUkraine wanted to join the EU for quite a long time. There's a quote from Putin from years ago saying it's their choice if they do, guess he changed his mind. People in eastern Europe have been generally keen to join the EU. It's not meddling if a country wants to join your club, I mean are you suggesting the EU just ignores the request?
- orbifold 4y agoThe US was the one that doing the meddling primarily, they used the EU as one of the carrots. Victoria Newland famously was recorded saying “fuck the EU”. Germany for example deliberately moved to cut out Ukraine as a transfer country for their gas supply by going for Nordstream 1&2. One reason was that Ukraine tried to use that dependence as leverage on multiple occasions. It is a long and complicated story starting sometime after the collapse of the Soviet Union but in many ways even connected to WW1. I feel sympathy for the Russian and Ukrainian people, that they had consistently some of the worst politicians and rulers imaginable.
- miguelazo 4y agoIsn’t it amazing how you get down voted for pointing out simple facts? I even had an article submission flagged the other day because the Russiagate crowd can’t handle information that threatens their fragile worldview.