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The Ukraine-Russia conflict was started by Putin lol. I guess he could have totally foiled America's plans by...not invading Ukraine Somehow, none of these con

The Ukraine-Russia conflict was started by Putin lol. I guess he could have totally foiled America's plans by...not invading Ukraine Somehow, none of these conversations and theories about US-Russia proxy war and US "escalating" the conflict NEVER give any agency at all the the people of Ukraine. The US "escalated" by helping them (at their request) fight off a violent and genocidal invader?? The Orange Man was laughed at because he called Putin a "very savvy genius" who was "keeping the peace", pretty straightforward.

factsarelolz 4y ago
> The US "escalated" by helping them (at their request) fight off a violent and genocidal invader?? No the “US” kept the Ukrainians away from the negotiation tables. It wasn’t until right before the midterms the US changed it tune swiftly and recommended Ukraine go to the negotiation tables. > According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-putin-wants-fiona-hill-angela-stent https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-puti... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/world/europe/us-will-not-push-ukraine-to-reach-a-cease-fire-a-top-pentagon-official-says.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/world/europe/us-will-not-... https://progressives.house.gov/2022/10/members-of-congress-urge-proactive-u-s-diplomacy-toward-ceasefire-in-ukraine https://progressives.house.gov/2022/10/members-of-congress-u... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/... https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/us-ukraine-diplomacy https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/us-ukraine-diplomacy
- coolbreezetft22 4y ago
  It's been pretty clear what the terms are: Putin completely leaves Ukraine lol. Why is this so hard for people to understand?? This isn't about America, it's about the people of Ukraine. If this were all true Putin could just "own the libs in America" at anytime by withdrawing from Ukraine. It is NOT America's job to tell Ukraine what to do and what terms to accept. Get that through your conspiracy-addled head
  - factsarelolz 4y ago
    > It is NOT America's job to tell Ukraine what to do and what terms to accept. Get that through your conspiracy-addled head I agree with your statement that it is not the US’ place to tell Ukraine what to do. It is also not the US’ place to send Billions of Dollars in “Aid” to Ukraine. It’s a Ukrainian issue, and the US should have left it at that, but it didn’t because the US saw an opportunity, just like they did in 2014. Did we forget how the US upended the regime and placed Zelensky as leader? Why does the US meddle so much in Ukraine?
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > It is also not the US’ place to send Billions of Dollars in “Aid” to Ukraine. It’s a Ukrainian issue, and the US should have left it at that, but it didn’t because the US saw an opportunity. An opportunity to help prevent a genocide by a brutal authoritarian regime, and weaken one of their largest enemies all in one?. This opportunity America took was clearly beneficial to the world, Ukraine and America. They'd be stupid not to take it. > Did we forget how the US upended the regime and placed Zelensky as leader? Zelensky, was elected in an election in 2019. What are you talking about?.

factsarelolz 4y ago

> The US "escalated" by helping them (at their request) fight off a violent and genocidal invader?? No the “US” kept the Ukrainians away from the negotiation tables. It wasn’t until right before the midterms the US changed it tune swiftly and recommended Ukraine go to the negotiation tables. > According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-putin-wants-fiona-hill-angela-stent https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-puti... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/world/europe/us-will-not-push-ukraine-to-reach-a-cease-fire-a-top-pentagon-official-says.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/world/europe/us-will-not-... https://progressives.house.gov/2022/10/members-of-congress-urge-proactive-u-s-diplomacy-toward-ceasefire-in-ukraine https://progressives.house.gov/2022/10/members-of-congress-u... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/... https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/us-ukraine-diplomacy https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/us-ukraine-diplomacy

coolbreezetft22 4y ago
It's been pretty clear what the terms are: Putin completely leaves Ukraine lol. Why is this so hard for people to understand?? This isn't about America, it's about the people of Ukraine. If this were all true Putin could just "own the libs in America" at anytime by withdrawing from Ukraine. It is NOT America's job to tell Ukraine what to do and what terms to accept. Get that through your conspiracy-addled head
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  > It is NOT America's job to tell Ukraine what to do and what terms to accept. Get that through your conspiracy-addled head I agree with your statement that it is not the US’ place to tell Ukraine what to do. It is also not the US’ place to send Billions of Dollars in “Aid” to Ukraine. It’s a Ukrainian issue, and the US should have left it at that, but it didn’t because the US saw an opportunity, just like they did in 2014. Did we forget how the US upended the regime and placed Zelensky as leader? Why does the US meddle so much in Ukraine?
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > It is also not the US’ place to send Billions of Dollars in “Aid” to Ukraine. It’s a Ukrainian issue, and the US should have left it at that, but it didn’t because the US saw an opportunity. An opportunity to help prevent a genocide by a brutal authoritarian regime, and weaken one of their largest enemies all in one?. This opportunity America took was clearly beneficial to the world, Ukraine and America. They'd be stupid not to take it. > Did we forget how the US upended the regime and placed Zelensky as leader? Zelensky, was elected in an election in 2019. What are you talking about?.