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Keep the Internet free and open (2012)
- AdriaanvRossum 4y agoO Google
- musicale 4y agoAlso published as an opinion column on CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/29/business/opinion-cerf-google-internet-freedom/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/29/business/opinion-cerf-goo...
- decentrality 4y agoVint Cerf... drinking his own cool aid. Pure propaganda. Centrality can never do what he said. Using a centralized system in a decentralized and free way is bad systems strategy. Why not design for what we actually want rather than try to repurpose a system voted-up artificially by the US Department of Defense? But we hacked ourselves. I still wonder what the world would be today if we had RINA from the start. Then even one word of that could be true: "Our protocols were designed to make the networks of the Internet non-proprietary and interoperable. They avoided “lock-in,” and allowed for contributions from many sources. This openness is why the Internet creates so much value today. Because it is borderless and belongs to everyone, it has brought unprecedented freedoms to billions of people worldwide: the freedom to create and innovate, to organize and influence, to speak and be heard." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_Internetwork_Architecture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_Internetwork_Archite...
- andirk 4y agoDare I bring a space cash in to the convo but what do you think about a "decentralized internet" like the TRON project https://tron.network https://tron.network ?
- SkyMarshal 4y agoJustin Sun's scam blockchain?
- andirk 4y agoDo you have any sources? Or does blockchain = scam?
- kelnos 4y agoMost blockchain stuff does seem pretty scammy, yes, so that's my default assumption. At best, if I'm being more charitable than it deserves, it's failed ideology. (And don't complain about downvotes. Not only is it against site guidelines, it just makes people want to downvote you more for whining about it.)
- chaostheory 4y agoVint Cerf was right. The internet is dead. What we have now is the splinternet, where a lot of countries have giant Galapagos intranets. We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this
- unity1001 4y ago> We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this So large Western corporations consolidating the majority of the Internet use in their hands, and then censoring/controlling it through algorithms is ok. Horrible when governments do any kind of regulation/control. All ok if its done by unaccountable private tyrants for profit...
- Kye 4y agoI read chaostheory's post several times and can't find a way to read it that looks like they're endorsing corporate centralization. In fact, there's no commentary on it at all.
- andirk 4y agoThey point blame but they don't mention Western hypocritical censorship.
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- chaostheory 4y agoI’m referring to a Western corporation by name instead of blaming it all on China. What more do you want?
- chaostheory 4y agoHow am I endorsing corporate centralization when I’m lamenting censorship? Censorship is much easier the more things are centralized
- dang 4y agoDiscussed at the time: Keep the Internet free and open - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4863009 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4863009 - Dec 2012 (18 comments)
- system2 4y agoStrangely no one even mentions how evil Google is in the discussion.
- subarctic 4y ago2012 was a different time — Google had a better reputation back then.
- userbinator 4y agoI remember 2011-2012 as roughly the time when their search results started to decline in quality, correlated with the beginnings of applying "AI" to them.
- userbinator 4y agoNow, I guess the Internet is "free and open"... as long as you use Chrome. There's an interesting comment from the linked 10-year-old discussion that suggests Google have actually changed the article to static HTML from what may have been an SPA at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4864426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4864426
- dools 4y ago“Free and open” is all well and good as long as everyone is super nice. But the people preaching freeness and openness are most often the bad guys. It’s a notion that can easily be abused to pitch totalitarianism to the disempowered because it seems like a good idea in principle, but the world has existing power structures. If you take the state now as “free and open” and attempt to preserve it, you cement those power structures in place.
- throwaway67743 4y agoHow the mighty have fallen eh