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Every cloud provider will have these issues with specific instance types in specific regions, although the Azure Germany situation sounds perhaps a bit more dir

by bri3d 4y ago

Every cloud provider will have these issues with specific instance types in specific regions, although the Azure Germany situation sounds perhaps a bit more dire. At my past (much larger) employers we’ve always run into hardware capacity issues with AWS too - we’re just able to work around them. Building on cloud requires a lot of trade offs, one being a need for very robust cross-region capability and the ability to be flexible with what instance types your infrastructure requires. I’d use this as a driver to either invest in making your software multi regional or cloud agnostic. Multi regional will be easier. If you’re already on k8s you should have a head start here.

PaulHoule 4y ago
There is a "minimal viable product" of documenting the configuration of your system so you can (1) run development, test, staging instances, (2) jump to another region when necessary, (3) from other disasters. Ideally you have a script that goes from credentials to the service to a complete working instance.
Innominate 4y ago
As much as this happens, I don't feel it's something to be expected or even okay. The major cloud services are expensive. This extra cost is supposed to provide for cloud services' high level of flexibility. Running out of capacity should be a rare event and treated as a high priority problem to be fixed asap. Without the ability to rapidly and arbitrarily scale, they're just overpriced server farms.
- bagels 4y ago
  Some problems can't be fixed (eg. chip supply chain problems) even if you have more money.
  - Havoc 4y ago
    >Some problems can't be fixed (eg. chip supply chain problems) even if you have more money. They can't magic chips into existence, but leaving a major region like Germany high & dry for almost half a year sounds like planning went wrong frankly. If it were a matter of chips I would have thought on a 3+ month timescale they can steal a few from another region that has a bit of fat
- dharmab 4y ago
  > they're just overpriced server farms That's exactly what a cloud is. It's someone else's datacenter with an API.
  - lanstin 4y ago
    A really good API that makes it close to a software defined everything world. Which has promise.
- unionpivo 4y ago
  > Without the ability to rapidly and arbitrarily scale, they're just overpriced server farms. I mean that's what cloud is (outsourced server farm). Sure they also offer services on top, but that's mostly because they want to lock you in, and can charge more for, so it's a win win for them. And there is no magic here, someone has to get the chips, build servers and connect them to network. And while they will often overbuild for capacity, they will never do it to a degree, where they can't run out, because that would be way to expensive and not financially viable. I don't think any cloud will ever be able to guarantee to never run out of resources.
  - remus 4y ago
    > I don't think any cloud will ever be able to guarantee to never run out of resources. I agree with this, but clearly there's a disconnect between how often people expect these kinds of issues and how often they actually happen. The whole point of the cloud is you pay a premium for the added flexibility. If it turns out that flexibility isn't there when you need it then maintaining your own servers becomes a lot more attractive.

by bri3d 4y ago

PaulHoule 4y ago

There is a "minimal viable product" of documenting the configuration of your system so you can (1) run development, test, staging instances, (2) jump to another region when necessary, (3) from other disasters. Ideally you have a script that goes from credentials to the service to a complete working instance.

Innominate 4y ago

As much as this happens, I don't feel it's something to be expected or even okay. The major cloud services are expensive. This extra cost is supposed to provide for cloud services' high level of flexibility. Running out of capacity should be a rare event and treated as a high priority problem to be fixed asap. Without the ability to rapidly and arbitrarily scale, they're just overpriced server farms.

bagels 4y ago
Some problems can't be fixed (eg. chip supply chain problems) even if you have more money.
- Havoc 4y ago
  >Some problems can't be fixed (eg. chip supply chain problems) even if you have more money. They can't magic chips into existence, but leaving a major region like Germany high & dry for almost half a year sounds like planning went wrong frankly. If it were a matter of chips I would have thought on a 3+ month timescale they can steal a few from another region that has a bit of fat
dharmab 4y ago
> they're just overpriced server farms That's exactly what a cloud is. It's someone else's datacenter with an API.
- lanstin 4y ago
  A really good API that makes it close to a software defined everything world. Which has promise.
unionpivo 4y ago
> Without the ability to rapidly and arbitrarily scale, they're just overpriced server farms. I mean that's what cloud is (outsourced server farm). Sure they also offer services on top, but that's mostly because they want to lock you in, and can charge more for, so it's a win win for them. And there is no magic here, someone has to get the chips, build servers and connect them to network. And while they will often overbuild for capacity, they will never do it to a degree, where they can't run out, because that would be way to expensive and not financially viable. I don't think any cloud will ever be able to guarantee to never run out of resources.
- remus 4y ago
  > I don't think any cloud will ever be able to guarantee to never run out of resources. I agree with this, but clearly there's a disconnect between how often people expect these kinds of issues and how often they actually happen. The whole point of the cloud is you pay a premium for the added flexibility. If it turns out that flexibility isn't there when you need it then maintaining your own servers becomes a lot more attractive.