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I'll reply to my own comment in response to a since-deleted reply that went something to the effect of "this is terrible advice for a young startup trying to ge

I'll reply to my own comment in response to a since-deleted reply that went something to the effect of "this is terrible advice for a young startup trying to get to product market for": I'm totally on board with the idea of being scrappy and taking shortcuts in order to get to PMF as soon as possible. However, it seems the proof is in the pudding here. If you can't service customers due to lack of compute resources, you can't get to PMF. Also, yes there are certain infrastructure and network topologies that would absolutely be overkill for a young startup. I don't think multi-region is one of those things. I don't have experience with Azure directly, but on every other cloud providers, going multi-region is not something that requires huge amounts of time or resources. You just need to be mindful of it from the outset. And if you decide not to be, then at least be intentional and conscious about the risk and have a plan in place for what happens when you get bit by deciding not to go multi-region.

cheese123 4y ago
GDPR might be a problem here. But this brings us to an important point: this is not your infrastructure, but someone elses.
- xwowsersx 4y ago
  Good point, I didn't think about that.
- soco 4y ago
  There are quite a few European regions, but we don't know how the others stand with their computing limits...
- masom 4y ago
  GDPR isn't really related to the infrastructure, and isn't a problem if you built your product knowing you'll need to conform. Shopify is GDPR compliant, for all merchants, and runs on Google Cloud in multiple regions.
  - revicon 4y ago
    There are specific requirements in Germany that require user data to not leave the country. I believe that was what OP was referring to.
  - pm90 4y ago
    Genuine question: is knowledge on how to do this well known? Without that accessibility, I'm picturing folks operating in EU being unwilling to take the risk of not being compliant and just hosting everything in a single region.
    - nr2x 4y ago
      They’re wrong.
    - unionpivo 4y ago
      GDPR is not some boogieman, it can be pain to do on existing products that were build pre GDPR, but if you are starting new project, being GDPR compliant is pretty straight forward and not hard/time consuming, unless you are explicitly trying to do something shady* *privacy invasive that GDPR is explicitly set up to make harder, so duh
  - nr2x 4y ago
    Privacy shield very much matters where your servers are. EU cracking down hard on extra territorial transfers in the past year with more to come. Also, lots of companies assert GDPR compliance via magical thinking. They most often are wholly wrong. Shopify can say whatever they want, but there’s no certification body. Source: I’m the person who evaluates and builds compliance systems for a range of services you almost definitely use.
logisticpeach 4y ago
I'd add to this by asking: how much more PMF can you get when you have a two week horizon of new customers before you literally run out of compute resource in a major cloud provider data centre? Sounds like customers are coming in thick and fast. If this is the dynamic and the company can't spare a few weeks to solve it, something has gone seriously wrong in a very interesting way.
arcturus17 4y ago
Also, n8n arguably has product-market fit so the advice was impertinent to start with…

cheese123 4y ago

GDPR might be a problem here. But this brings us to an important point: this is not your infrastructure, but someone elses.

xwowsersx 4y ago
Good point, I didn't think about that.
soco 4y ago
There are quite a few European regions, but we don't know how the others stand with their computing limits...
masom 4y ago
GDPR isn't really related to the infrastructure, and isn't a problem if you built your product knowing you'll need to conform. Shopify is GDPR compliant, for all merchants, and runs on Google Cloud in multiple regions.
- revicon 4y ago
  There are specific requirements in Germany that require user data to not leave the country. I believe that was what OP was referring to.
- pm90 4y ago
  Genuine question: is knowledge on how to do this well known? Without that accessibility, I'm picturing folks operating in EU being unwilling to take the risk of not being compliant and just hosting everything in a single region.
  - nr2x 4y ago
    They’re wrong.
  - unionpivo 4y ago
    GDPR is not some boogieman, it can be pain to do on existing products that were build pre GDPR, but if you are starting new project, being GDPR compliant is pretty straight forward and not hard/time consuming, unless you are explicitly trying to do something shady* *privacy invasive that GDPR is explicitly set up to make harder, so duh
- nr2x 4y ago
  Privacy shield very much matters where your servers are. EU cracking down hard on extra territorial transfers in the past year with more to come. Also, lots of companies assert GDPR compliance via magical thinking. They most often are wholly wrong. Shopify can say whatever they want, but there’s no certification body. Source: I’m the person who evaluates and builds compliance systems for a range of services you almost definitely use.

logisticpeach 4y ago

I'd add to this by asking: how much more PMF can you get when you have a two week horizon of new customers before you literally run out of compute resource in a major cloud provider data centre? Sounds like customers are coming in thick and fast. If this is the dynamic and the company can't spare a few weeks to solve it, something has gone seriously wrong in a very interesting way.

arcturus17 4y ago

Also, n8n arguably has product-market fit so the advice was impertinent to start with…