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Glad to see Europe waking up, 20 years too late, but something tells me that they won't learn anything and it's just a "venting moment", we'll see > "The Europ

Glad to see Europe waking up, 20 years too late, but something tells me that they won't learn anything and it's just a "venting moment", we'll see > "The Europeans are discernibly frustrated about the lack of prior information and consultation," said David Kleimann of the Bruegel think tank. Ukraine-Russia conflict isn't being called a "proxy war" for fun > "The Inflation Reduction Act is very worrying," said Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher. "The potential impact on the European economy is very big." > "The U.S. is following a domestic agenda, which is regrettably protectionist and discriminates against U.S. allies," said Tonino Picula, the European Parliament's lead person on the transatlantic relationship. > “The Inflation Reduction Act has changed everything," one EU diplomat said. "Is Washington still our ally or not?” US policies will force many EU businesses to either delocalize to the US or to shutdown, as if it was all planned, boosting the US economy, what ever it takes, god save the dollar

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factsarelolz 4y ago
> US policies will force many EU businesses to either delocalize to the US or to shutdown, as if it was all planned, boosting the US economy, what ever it takes, god save the dollar Always has been. There were some tin foil hat types that were saying that the goal of the Ukraine/Russia conflict was 2 fold. 1. To get rid of Putin 2. To make the EU rely on the US instead of Russia. It appears the second part is working. The more the US escalated the conflict the more power it held over the EU. Some might even say that the bombing of Nord Stream helped this endeavor. Just for prosperity. The Orange Man was laughed at and ridiculed when bring up reliance on Russian supplies. Didn't age very well. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eKEycjREgPE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eKEycjREgPE
- coolbreezetft22 4y ago
  The Ukraine-Russia conflict was started by Putin lol. I guess he could have totally foiled America's plans by...not invading Ukraine Somehow, none of these conversations and theories about US-Russia proxy war and US "escalating" the conflict NEVER give any agency at all the the people of Ukraine. The US "escalated" by helping them (at their request) fight off a violent and genocidal invader?? The Orange Man was laughed at because he called Putin a "very savvy genius" who was "keeping the peace", pretty straightforward.
  - factsarelolz 4y ago
    > The US "escalated" by helping them (at their request) fight off a violent and genocidal invader?? No the “US” kept the Ukrainians away from the negotiation tables. It wasn’t until right before the midterms the US changed it tune swiftly and recommended Ukraine go to the negotiation tables. > According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-putin-wants-fiona-hill-angela-stent https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-puti... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/world/europe/us-will-not-push-ukraine-to-reach-a-cease-fire-a-top-pentagon-official-says.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/world/europe/us-will-not-... https://progressives.house.gov/2022/10/members-of-congress-urge-proactive-u-s-diplomacy-toward-ceasefire-in-ukraine https://progressives.house.gov/2022/10/members-of-congress-u... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/... https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/us-ukraine-diplomacy https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/us-ukraine-diplomacy
    - coolbreezetft22 4y ago
      It's been pretty clear what the terms are: Putin completely leaves Ukraine lol. Why is this so hard for people to understand?? This isn't about America, it's about the people of Ukraine. If this were all true Putin could just "own the libs in America" at anytime by withdrawing from Ukraine. It is NOT America's job to tell Ukraine what to do and what terms to accept. Get that through your conspiracy-addled head
      - factsarelolz 4y ago
        > It is NOT America's job to tell Ukraine what to do and what terms to accept. Get that through your conspiracy-addled head I agree with your statement that it is not the US’ place to tell Ukraine what to do. It is also not the US’ place to send Billions of Dollars in “Aid” to Ukraine. It’s a Ukrainian issue, and the US should have left it at that, but it didn’t because the US saw an opportunity, just like they did in 2014. Did we forget how the US upended the regime and placed Zelensky as leader? Why does the US meddle so much in Ukraine?
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factsarelolz 4y ago

> US policies will force many EU businesses to either delocalize to the US or to shutdown, as if it was all planned, boosting the US economy, what ever it takes, god save the dollar Always has been. There were some tin foil hat types that were saying that the goal of the Ukraine/Russia conflict was 2 fold. 1. To get rid of Putin 2. To make the EU rely on the US instead of Russia. It appears the second part is working. The more the US escalated the conflict the more power it held over the EU. Some might even say that the bombing of Nord Stream helped this endeavor. Just for prosperity. The Orange Man was laughed at and ridiculed when bring up reliance on Russian supplies. Didn't age very well. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eKEycjREgPE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eKEycjREgPE

coolbreezetft22 4y ago
The Ukraine-Russia conflict was started by Putin lol. I guess he could have totally foiled America's plans by...not invading Ukraine Somehow, none of these conversations and theories about US-Russia proxy war and US "escalating" the conflict NEVER give any agency at all the the people of Ukraine. The US "escalated" by helping them (at their request) fight off a violent and genocidal invader?? The Orange Man was laughed at because he called Putin a "very savvy genius" who was "keeping the peace", pretty straightforward.
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  > The US "escalated" by helping them (at their request) fight off a violent and genocidal invader?? No the “US” kept the Ukrainians away from the negotiation tables. It wasn’t until right before the midterms the US changed it tune swiftly and recommended Ukraine go to the negotiation tables. > According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-putin-wants-fiona-hill-angela-stent https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-puti... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/world/europe/us-will-not-push-ukraine-to-reach-a-cease-fire-a-top-pentagon-official-says.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/world/europe/us-will-not-... https://progressives.house.gov/2022/10/members-of-congress-urge-proactive-u-s-diplomacy-toward-ceasefire-in-ukraine https://progressives.house.gov/2022/10/members-of-congress-u... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/... https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/us-ukraine-diplomacy https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/us-ukraine-diplomacy
  - coolbreezetft22 4y ago
    It's been pretty clear what the terms are: Putin completely leaves Ukraine lol. Why is this so hard for people to understand?? This isn't about America, it's about the people of Ukraine. If this were all true Putin could just "own the libs in America" at anytime by withdrawing from Ukraine. It is NOT America's job to tell Ukraine what to do and what terms to accept. Get that through your conspiracy-addled head
    - factsarelolz 4y ago
      > It is NOT America's job to tell Ukraine what to do and what terms to accept. Get that through your conspiracy-addled head I agree with your statement that it is not the US’ place to tell Ukraine what to do. It is also not the US’ place to send Billions of Dollars in “Aid” to Ukraine. It’s a Ukrainian issue, and the US should have left it at that, but it didn’t because the US saw an opportunity, just like they did in 2014. Did we forget how the US upended the regime and placed Zelensky as leader? Why does the US meddle so much in Ukraine?

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