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I don't know what the experience is like on Windows, but on other platforms it barely works. Super buggy. Super flakey. Super slow. The audio in conferencing a

I don't know what the experience is like on Windows, but on other platforms it barely works. Super buggy. Super flakey. Super slow. The audio in conferencing also renders it unusable.

azalemeth 4y ago
It's also quantitatively worse than the alternatives in every meaningful way.
martin_a 4y ago
Takes 520 MB right now for sitting idling in the background. That's how well it runs on Windows...
- lzooz 4y ago
  That's 6.5 % of available memory of a computer with 8 GB of RAM.
  - kspacewalk2 4y ago
    That's not a lot. No one bats an eye when Firefox uses triple that amount sitting idle with 5 tabs open, because Firefox is Not Evil.
    - dijit 4y ago
      Firefox can do a lot more than Teams can.
      - kspacewalk2 4y ago
        That's akin to saying a car is more impressive than a nuclear power station because it can go to such interesting places. Or something something apples and oranges. Point is, my analogy may be bad, but it's not as bad as comparing Firefox and Teams in terms of what they do.
        dijit 4y ago
        I don't understand your point then. Yes, the thing that consumes more resources uses more resources. Because it can do more things. People are also mad about that btw. Saying "well, x uses more than y" where `y` in this case is using about 5x more resources than its contemporaries is just an insultingly weak argument.
    - INeedMoreRam 4y ago
      So when you open 5 tabs in Firefox it uses over 1.5GB of memory? I find that hard to believe.
  - lpcvoid 4y ago
    You make it sound like it's fine for an application that has network i/o in the few KB and miniscule UI refreshes when idle to consume that amount?
    - lzooz 4y ago
      What % of your RAM did mIRC use back in the day? I bet it was several times that amount.
      - dijit 4y ago
        Define back in the day? mIRC used to use ~2MiB when I had 256MiB in 2003 and I was in a lot of channels. I know this because I used to count every megabyte of usage back then and MSN Messenger with the "animated images" was the real hog back then.
  - debugnik 4y ago
    15.75%, for an app doing nothing in the background and a trivial set of data to work with, unless you meant 16 GB. Install just 5 more applications with that same development philosophy and an 8 GB machine is already swapping, which is ridiculous.
  - martin_a 4y ago
    Most of our systems here are equipped with 8 GB only, where it's 15.75% as said by somebody else. With everything else that runs, you're out of RAM pretty quick: Our production software takes around 1 GB when running, Firefox/Chrome with a few tabs, Acrobat Pro... I'm lucky that I've received an upgrade to 16 GB because I need special software for my work. For the next system I'll ask for 32 GB and 16 GB for my teams. Don't understand why the corporate IT is so sparse with RAM...
    - Scharkenberg 4y ago
      > Most of our systems here are equipped with 8 GB only, where it's 15.75% as said by somebody else. 520/8192 = 0.0635
- fnord123 4y ago
  Teams uses sqlite to store data. Are you able to use Process Explorer[1] to see how much of the 520MB is the sqlite file mapped into memory, if sqlite memory mapped IO has been enabled[2] [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer https://learn.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/downloads/pro... [2] https://www.sqlite.org/mmap.html https://www.sqlite.org/mmap.html

I don't know what the experience is like on Windows, but on other platforms it barely works. Super buggy. Super flakey. Super slow. The audio in conferencing also renders it unusable.

azalemeth 4y ago

It's also quantitatively worse than the alternatives in every meaningful way.

martin_a 4y ago

Takes 520 MB right now for sitting idling in the background. That's how well it runs on Windows...

lzooz 4y ago
That's 6.5 % of available memory of a computer with 8 GB of RAM.
- kspacewalk2 4y ago
  That's not a lot. No one bats an eye when Firefox uses triple that amount sitting idle with 5 tabs open, because Firefox is Not Evil.
  - dijit 4y ago
    Firefox can do a lot more than Teams can.
    - kspacewalk2 4y ago
      That's akin to saying a car is more impressive than a nuclear power station because it can go to such interesting places. Or something something apples and oranges. Point is, my analogy may be bad, but it's not as bad as comparing Firefox and Teams in terms of what they do.
      - dijit 4y ago
        I don't understand your point then. Yes, the thing that consumes more resources uses more resources. Because it can do more things. People are also mad about that btw. Saying "well, x uses more than y" where `y` in this case is using about 5x more resources than its contemporaries is just an insultingly weak argument.
  - INeedMoreRam 4y ago
    So when you open 5 tabs in Firefox it uses over 1.5GB of memory? I find that hard to believe.
- lpcvoid 4y ago
  You make it sound like it's fine for an application that has network i/o in the few KB and miniscule UI refreshes when idle to consume that amount?
  - lzooz 4y ago
    What % of your RAM did mIRC use back in the day? I bet it was several times that amount.
    - dijit 4y ago
      Define back in the day? mIRC used to use ~2MiB when I had 256MiB in 2003 and I was in a lot of channels. I know this because I used to count every megabyte of usage back then and MSN Messenger with the "animated images" was the real hog back then.
- debugnik 4y ago
  15.75%, for an app doing nothing in the background and a trivial set of data to work with, unless you meant 16 GB. Install just 5 more applications with that same development philosophy and an 8 GB machine is already swapping, which is ridiculous.
- martin_a 4y ago
  Most of our systems here are equipped with 8 GB only, where it's 15.75% as said by somebody else. With everything else that runs, you're out of RAM pretty quick: Our production software takes around 1 GB when running, Firefox/Chrome with a few tabs, Acrobat Pro... I'm lucky that I've received an upgrade to 16 GB because I need special software for my work. For the next system I'll ask for 32 GB and 16 GB for my teams. Don't understand why the corporate IT is so sparse with RAM...
  - Scharkenberg 4y ago
    > Most of our systems here are equipped with 8 GB only, where it's 15.75% as said by somebody else. 520/8192 = 0.0635
fnord123 4y ago
Teams uses sqlite to store data. Are you able to use Process Explorer[1] to see how much of the 520MB is the sqlite file mapped into memory, if sqlite memory mapped IO has been enabled[2] [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer https://learn.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/downloads/pro... [2] https://www.sqlite.org/mmap.html https://www.sqlite.org/mmap.html