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This reminds me of the whole Huawei thing: no actual evidence of any problem, no economic reason, no real political gain, but "feelings". I wonder if a US CCT

This reminds me of the whole Huawei thing: no actual evidence of any problem, no economic reason, no real political gain, but "feelings". I wonder if a US CCTV provider is about to get a multi billion pound contract having recently "donated" to the groups making this "necessary" "security" decision...

ogurechny 4y ago
I am sure they are not guessing, and know well enough who uses the backdoor access, and how often, because they are doing the same. Of course, they are not going to present it all to lowly so-called citizens, so you only get the final decision that the dangers were considered greater than the benefits, and some media-friendly hand-waving. It's also a clear signal for other companies that “extended cooperation” is the requirement of commercial success. When those responsible for “security” actually depend on countless things being insecure crap, we will never see any real change in how things are done, only the talks about never-ending work done ad infinitum. Cheaply and insecurely made device benefits not only its maker that saves money on development, it also benefits most of those who are supposed to check them, and set better rules for them. Instead, we have various “IoT security teams”. It's like starting the fire at an oil refinery, and then announcing that you need something more than a couple of fire trucks.
philliphaydon 4y ago
Huawei is beholden to the CCP and can be coerced. So playing it safe is probably a better idea than rolling out networks which we have no idea if they contain back doors or not that the CCP could use…
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  That's fine, but now your only suppliers are domestic based with little to no international business. How many top flight 5G infra providers does the UK have?
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    5g isnt even good... 4g is better in most cases.
    - LatteLazy 4y ago
      Not sure why you say that? I am not convinced that 100x speed on fast 4G really makes any difference. But 5G is nice and I've never found 4G better? Im just a consumer these days though so...
      - philliphaydon 4y ago
        I don't know what 4g is like in the US, in Asia it's about ~100mbit (I just ran a speed test and got 134mbit down, 24mbit up) That's far more than enough to stream 4k HRD content on my laptop tethering to the phone. 5g range is limited compared to 4g. 5g is more spotty and needs more direct line of sight. A 5g base station consumes 3x more power than a 4g base station. So 5g is more of a gimick than anything else. The reality is, is there isn't any material benefit over 4g.
- trasz2 4y ago
  >Huawei is beholden to the CCP and can be coerced It works the exact same way with every American company, as evidenced by numerous backdoors revealed by Snowden and other folks.
nivenkos 4y ago
Yeah, the whole of Europe is a just an American colony at this point. Supporting American protectionism, even when the US effectively has a trade war with Europe with the Inflation Reduction Act.
brk 4y ago
No, that is not likely to happen. These bans have been developing for quite a while, based on continuous proof of major cyber security flaws in the products, and documented human rights abuses by Hikvision (and Dahua). Several other CCTV manufacturers will likely benefit from this, but so far there have been no indications that any singular company has gotten the bulk of the benefit, or been overly advocating for these bans.
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  >continuous proof of major cyber security flaws That no one has seen. Huawei must be the most examined manufacturer in history by this point and no one has found any actual security flaw yet...
  - brk 4y ago
    What do you mean no one has seen? There are many documented vulnerabilities in Hikvision cameras: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=hikvision https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=hikvision
    - LatteLazy 4y ago
      Well I was talking specifically about Huawei... Are Hikvision significantly worse than the alternative?

ogurechny 4y ago

I am sure they are not guessing, and know well enough who uses the backdoor access, and how often, because they are doing the same. Of course, they are not going to present it all to lowly so-called citizens, so you only get the final decision that the dangers were considered greater than the benefits, and some media-friendly hand-waving. It's also a clear signal for other companies that “extended cooperation” is the requirement of commercial success. When those responsible for “security” actually depend on countless things being insecure crap, we will never see any real change in how things are done, only the talks about never-ending work done ad infinitum. Cheaply and insecurely made device benefits not only its maker that saves money on development, it also benefits most of those who are supposed to check them, and set better rules for them. Instead, we have various “IoT security teams”. It's like starting the fire at an oil refinery, and then announcing that you need something more than a couple of fire trucks.

philliphaydon 4y ago

Huawei is beholden to the CCP and can be coerced. So playing it safe is probably a better idea than rolling out networks which we have no idea if they contain back doors or not that the CCP could use…

LatteLazy 4y ago
That's fine, but now your only suppliers are domestic based with little to no international business. How many top flight 5G infra providers does the UK have?
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  5g isnt even good... 4g is better in most cases.
  - LatteLazy 4y ago
    Not sure why you say that? I am not convinced that 100x speed on fast 4G really makes any difference. But 5G is nice and I've never found 4G better? Im just a consumer these days though so...
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      I don't know what 4g is like in the US, in Asia it's about ~100mbit (I just ran a speed test and got 134mbit down, 24mbit up) That's far more than enough to stream 4k HRD content on my laptop tethering to the phone. 5g range is limited compared to 4g. 5g is more spotty and needs more direct line of sight. A 5g base station consumes 3x more power than a 4g base station. So 5g is more of a gimick than anything else. The reality is, is there isn't any material benefit over 4g.
trasz2 4y ago
>Huawei is beholden to the CCP and can be coerced It works the exact same way with every American company, as evidenced by numerous backdoors revealed by Snowden and other folks.

nivenkos 4y ago

Yeah, the whole of Europe is a just an American colony at this point. Supporting American protectionism, even when the US effectively has a trade war with Europe with the Inflation Reduction Act.

brk 4y ago

No, that is not likely to happen. These bans have been developing for quite a while, based on continuous proof of major cyber security flaws in the products, and documented human rights abuses by Hikvision (and Dahua). Several other CCTV manufacturers will likely benefit from this, but so far there have been no indications that any singular company has gotten the bulk of the benefit, or been overly advocating for these bans.

LatteLazy 4y ago
>continuous proof of major cyber security flaws That no one has seen. Huawei must be the most examined manufacturer in history by this point and no one has found any actual security flaw yet...
- brk 4y ago
  What do you mean no one has seen? There are many documented vulnerabilities in Hikvision cameras: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=hikvision https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=hikvision
  - LatteLazy 4y ago
    Well I was talking specifically about Huawei... Are Hikvision significantly worse than the alternative?