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Bugs happen everywhere, to everyone. The fact that it happened is not a surprise - the lack of an immediate fix is what is concerning

semi-extrinsic 4y ago
But you have to agree the state of MS Teams is an absolute shitshow. The quality is like it's put together by a bunch of guys coding on their spare time if they feel like it.
- Doctor_Fegg 4y ago
  That would be a passion project. I find it hard to conceive of Teams as a passion project, except possibly by people who have a passion for hating the world.
  - macintux 4y ago
    If Microsoft has a penchant for hiring people passionate about hating the world that would explain a lot of their software over the years.
    - toss1 4y ago
      or if something about working at MS instills in people a passion for hating the world...
    - Marsymars 4y ago
      If MS software is the worst software you’ve used, you’re living a pretty good life. There are businesses running on software that makes Teams look like a paragon of performance, stability and user-focused UI/UX.
      - bogwog 4y ago
        > There are businesses running on software that makes Teams look like a paragon of performance, stability and user-focused UI/UX. Those (probably) aren’t trillion dollar businesses.
        mc10 4y ago
        SAP has a market cap of $135B, not a trillion dollar business but in the top 100 largest companies in the world.
      - macintux 4y ago
        > If MS software is the worst software you’ve used, you’re living a pretty good life. I've used much worse, almost always enterprise software. That doesn't excuse Microsoft, but ultimately I just make sure my personal life and my jobs stay as far away from their software as I can.
paganel 4y ago
When it’s a matter of life and death, like in this case, bugs shouldn’t just happen. If your sw product gets too complex so that you’re not able to control anymore of life-threatening bugs then you should make sure that said product gets rid of its complexity so that the engineers can have a better grasp of it. If that still doesn’t happen then it’s a job for the regulators to step again because, again, this is a life and death situation.
- Wolfenstein98k 4y ago
  How could the regulators possibly improve this situation?
  - mixedCase 4y ago
    Banning the product and forcing the manufacturer to pay damages to every single person they sold that garbage to, for example.
    - komali2 4y ago
      I would love this, though there's very few entities in the world that seem to have this level of sovereign power - most regulatory agencies / governments don't seem to have the political will, drive, ambition, or simply ability to do something like this. Let's say for the USA, the chair of the FCC (hahahahahahahahaahah) decided to do this, could they even? Isn't power dispersed enough to make this impossible? (immediately challenged by courts, or, unable to determine which regulatory agency in USA actually has authority to do this, etc?) Or say an American state, perhaps Texas, decides to protect its citizens by threatening to ban sales of google phones if they don't fix this bug tomorrow, and force a recall, would that be possible? I mean... via what mechanism could that even happen? A governor executive order immediately challenged by a local court or even the USA federal government? A state law, that gets vetoed? Etc. This leaving aside the fact that Google can just do fat campaign donations to whoever can throw a monkeywrench into this kind of consumer protection action.
      - 4y ago

semi-extrinsic 4y ago

But you have to agree the state of MS Teams is an absolute shitshow. The quality is like it's put together by a bunch of guys coding on their spare time if they feel like it.

Doctor_Fegg 4y ago
That would be a passion project. I find it hard to conceive of Teams as a passion project, except possibly by people who have a passion for hating the world.
- macintux 4y ago
  If Microsoft has a penchant for hiring people passionate about hating the world that would explain a lot of their software over the years.
  - toss1 4y ago
    or if something about working at MS instills in people a passion for hating the world...
  - Marsymars 4y ago
    If MS software is the worst software you’ve used, you’re living a pretty good life. There are businesses running on software that makes Teams look like a paragon of performance, stability and user-focused UI/UX.
    - bogwog 4y ago
      > There are businesses running on software that makes Teams look like a paragon of performance, stability and user-focused UI/UX. Those (probably) aren’t trillion dollar businesses.
      - mc10 4y ago
        SAP has a market cap of $135B, not a trillion dollar business but in the top 100 largest companies in the world.
    - macintux 4y ago
      > If MS software is the worst software you’ve used, you’re living a pretty good life. I've used much worse, almost always enterprise software. That doesn't excuse Microsoft, but ultimately I just make sure my personal life and my jobs stay as far away from their software as I can.

paganel 4y ago

When it’s a matter of life and death, like in this case, bugs shouldn’t just happen. If your sw product gets too complex so that you’re not able to control anymore of life-threatening bugs then you should make sure that said product gets rid of its complexity so that the engineers can have a better grasp of it. If that still doesn’t happen then it’s a job for the regulators to step again because, again, this is a life and death situation.

Wolfenstein98k 4y ago
How could the regulators possibly improve this situation?
- mixedCase 4y ago
  Banning the product and forcing the manufacturer to pay damages to every single person they sold that garbage to, for example.
  - komali2 4y ago
    I would love this, though there's very few entities in the world that seem to have this level of sovereign power - most regulatory agencies / governments don't seem to have the political will, drive, ambition, or simply ability to do something like this. Let's say for the USA, the chair of the FCC (hahahahahahahahaahah) decided to do this, could they even? Isn't power dispersed enough to make this impossible? (immediately challenged by courts, or, unable to determine which regulatory agency in USA actually has authority to do this, etc?) Or say an American state, perhaps Texas, decides to protect its citizens by threatening to ban sales of google phones if they don't fix this bug tomorrow, and force a recall, would that be possible? I mean... via what mechanism could that even happen? A governor executive order immediately challenged by a local court or even the USA federal government? A state law, that gets vetoed? Etc. This leaving aside the fact that Google can just do fat campaign donations to whoever can throw a monkeywrench into this kind of consumer protection action.
    - 4y ago