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Of course, but honestly nothing compared to many developing cities, from first hand experience. And the developed pavement rubbish is collected, or if it's was

Of course, but honestly nothing compared to many developing cities, from first hand experience. And the developed pavement rubbish is collected, or if it's washed into the sewers, it's then filtered out before going to the river/sea. Not so in many developing nations, where it's often either thrown directly into the rivers, or washed there by heavy rains.

blitzar 4y ago
> it's then filtered out before going to the river/sea 31 Mar 2022 — Water companies discharged raw sewage into English rivers 372,533 times last year, a slight reduction on the previous year. They dont even filter the sewerage before dumping it in rivers. What mades you think that they are picking out all the other detritus?
- jacknews 4y ago
  This is on an entirely different scale, and not only that, the UK water companies are under investigation for their practice of dumping sewage during storm overflow situations; it may be nefarious, it may simply be inadequate capacity. IMHO it's unlikely, unless they are being exceptionally brazen, that they're skipping the easiest and most easily observable step in sewage processing, filtering out solids.
- legalthrowawy 4y ago
  Exception proving the rule? There’s regulation, there’s fines, there’s enforcement. Waste management companies do try to avoid those, and in some cases with big success. But some business trying their ways out of the laws, is very different from there being no law, no enforcement, no reporting, and bad management just being normal. I know people that worked in waste management companies, and lawsuits for bad management are real, and most operations run legally, but there is just huge amount of money to in some ocasions break the law. So the big shots call the big shot. Immoral and unethical move, but most people working there don’t get enough opportunities outside those companies so , they just follow along the big shot call. I do know some that left because of not wanting to lie if a lawsuit came. “I want to sleep at night with clean conscience “ . There’s plenty of FAANG engineers with plenty of opportunities outside, but it’s better to do some very ethical questionable stuff there. The thing is, you can only hide illegal stuff if most of the work you do is legal. But what if you don’t need to hide because there’s no laws or no enforcement? That’s the scenario on plenty of developing nations, the scale of bad waste disposal is just different. Same with “recycle your clothes” that some fast fashion brands do and pay with vouchers, is just green washing marketing shit to just burn them in international waters. Free trade between the worlds nations is very pretty, but when accountability is very different in different country you get shit like that. Just outsource illegal stuff. ( on a side note There’s plenty of FAANG engineers with plenty of opportunities outside, but it’s better to do some very ethical questionable stuff there. sure if your visa depends on the job it’s one thing, but plenty can just leave, but paycheck is too good or lifestyle was so inflated, that questionable development is the only thing that pays the bills)
  - hilbert42 4y ago
    "Free trade between the worlds nations is very pretty, but when accountability is very different in different country you get shit like that." Exactly, free trade was never a level playing field and many nations have taken advantage of the fact. What annoys me most is that governments still pretend there's no problem and or that they're still pursuing individual free trade agreements without including provisions to cover these environmental issues. By our governments not doing so we are just shifting our 'shit' from our location to some other country with less ridged controls. We are dishonesty freeloading on others and the environment suffers just as much as if we'd not enacted our environmental laws. I recall this being obvious during the free trade debates of the Reagan-Thatcher era but Big Business had such a stranglehold on governments that there wasn't a snowball's chance of including not only the environmental stuff but also other important stuff such as wages parity, product quality (parity quality on like items)—junk product dumped at super low prices alone killed off many local industries and we still haven't fully recovered. Same goes for safety standards—countries with high standards had to reduce them to the lowest common denominator, and so on. What still worries me is why the populace at large swallowed this poisonous rhetoric without major objection. Remember, that happened in the 1930s with disastrous consequences. Unfortunately, that tragedy hasn't made the citizenry immune from such rhetoric. It seems to me that until we citizens find some way of protecting and immunizing ourselves from the snake oil salesmen then we're bound to repeat similar mistakes next time around.

blitzar 4y ago

> it's then filtered out before going to the river/sea 31 Mar 2022 — Water companies discharged raw sewage into English rivers 372,533 times last year, a slight reduction on the previous year. They dont even filter the sewerage before dumping it in rivers. What mades you think that they are picking out all the other detritus?

jacknews 4y ago
This is on an entirely different scale, and not only that, the UK water companies are under investigation for their practice of dumping sewage during storm overflow situations; it may be nefarious, it may simply be inadequate capacity. IMHO it's unlikely, unless they are being exceptionally brazen, that they're skipping the easiest and most easily observable step in sewage processing, filtering out solids.
legalthrowawy 4y ago
Exception proving the rule? There’s regulation, there’s fines, there’s enforcement. Waste management companies do try to avoid those, and in some cases with big success. But some business trying their ways out of the laws, is very different from there being no law, no enforcement, no reporting, and bad management just being normal. I know people that worked in waste management companies, and lawsuits for bad management are real, and most operations run legally, but there is just huge amount of money to in some ocasions break the law. So the big shots call the big shot. Immoral and unethical move, but most people working there don’t get enough opportunities outside those companies so , they just follow along the big shot call. I do know some that left because of not wanting to lie if a lawsuit came. “I want to sleep at night with clean conscience “ . There’s plenty of FAANG engineers with plenty of opportunities outside, but it’s better to do some very ethical questionable stuff there. The thing is, you can only hide illegal stuff if most of the work you do is legal. But what if you don’t need to hide because there’s no laws or no enforcement? That’s the scenario on plenty of developing nations, the scale of bad waste disposal is just different. Same with “recycle your clothes” that some fast fashion brands do and pay with vouchers, is just green washing marketing shit to just burn them in international waters. Free trade between the worlds nations is very pretty, but when accountability is very different in different country you get shit like that. Just outsource illegal stuff. ( on a side note There’s plenty of FAANG engineers with plenty of opportunities outside, but it’s better to do some very ethical questionable stuff there. sure if your visa depends on the job it’s one thing, but plenty can just leave, but paycheck is too good or lifestyle was so inflated, that questionable development is the only thing that pays the bills)
- hilbert42 4y ago
  "Free trade between the worlds nations is very pretty, but when accountability is very different in different country you get shit like that." Exactly, free trade was never a level playing field and many nations have taken advantage of the fact. What annoys me most is that governments still pretend there's no problem and or that they're still pursuing individual free trade agreements without including provisions to cover these environmental issues. By our governments not doing so we are just shifting our 'shit' from our location to some other country with less ridged controls. We are dishonesty freeloading on others and the environment suffers just as much as if we'd not enacted our environmental laws. I recall this being obvious during the free trade debates of the Reagan-Thatcher era but Big Business had such a stranglehold on governments that there wasn't a snowball's chance of including not only the environmental stuff but also other important stuff such as wages parity, product quality (parity quality on like items)—junk product dumped at super low prices alone killed off many local industries and we still haven't fully recovered. Same goes for safety standards—countries with high standards had to reduce them to the lowest common denominator, and so on. What still worries me is why the populace at large swallowed this poisonous rhetoric without major objection. Remember, that happened in the 1930s with disastrous consequences. Unfortunately, that tragedy hasn't made the citizenry immune from such rhetoric. It seems to me that until we citizens find some way of protecting and immunizing ourselves from the snake oil salesmen then we're bound to repeat similar mistakes next time around.