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>Professor Sampson asks: "Do you want untrusted companies screening at airports, watching school playgrounds or on hospital wards?" He gave the example of one s

>Professor Sampson asks: "Do you want untrusted companies screening at airports, watching school playgrounds or on hospital wards?" He gave the example of one such company that has won awards for work monitoring children on school buses in Scotland that is now on the new ban list. is this an actual "professor" speaking sense? what do you mean untrusted companies? either hikvision exfiltrates data from the UK to china servers and there are logs to verify that or hikvision could remotely access any device even if it was not online or was online with security but they have a bypass, both could be verified but other than these two cases, what is this pre-emptive ban that could cost the public exchequer millions or billions for what? a hunch that, as they put it, >"We are no longer asking whether certain security companies can be trusted, we now accept they can't, but we need to work out how to verify those we can trust." so they will first ban hikvision, remove all their cameras from UK, replace that with a competitor, THEN authenticate the trustworthiness of hikvision and THEN maybe let them back in the market. WTF thinks like that unless you have malicious intent?

intelVISA 4y ago
Untrusted companies are companies that aren't currently paying me in some capacity.
- _puk 4y ago
  And trusted ones are owned by someone I know personally..
  - mathieuh 4y ago
    Rishi how many times have we told you not to post online
- the-smug-one 4y ago
  Or they're companies which are located in a country where the state can and do put heavy pressure on the companies with no real recourse for the companies. It's not really strange to me that we'd prevent Hikvision cameras from being used in any sensitive context.
jahnu 4y ago
> remove all their cameras from UK As per the article, even though some have opted to remove them they aren't removing them all. Just banning future installations. > The new decision by the UK government includes a ban on the future installation of any security cameras...
doix 4y ago
I feel this way about many security reports, they look at some very basic thing (e.g. app permissions), extrapolate what is possible and then make some claims. Where are the in depth analysis reports? I want to see the reverse engineered code, ROM dumps, network dumps, hardware teardowns etc. I want to see what is getting collected, what is getting stored, what is getting sent and where.
- gmn91 4y ago
  don't know if this helps, but there's been weird traffic patterns reported from Hikvision cameras in places like Italy, though i think a lot of it has to do with the moral case for working with a company linked so closely to what's happening in Xinjiang https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Whos-Watching-You_The-dominance-of-Chinese-state-owned-CCTV-in-the-UK.pdf https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Wh...
  - doix 4y ago
    > though i think a lot of it has to do with the moral case for working with a company linked so closely to what's happening in Xinjiang I think it's perfectly fine to boycott a company for unethical practices. I'm actually for boycotting them for ethical reasons. I dislike how security gets muddied with ethical things. People dislike a company and then throw whatever they can at them to see what sticks. I read the report, it states: > There is no direct evidence in the public domain that Hikvison or Dahua provide data to the Chinese state or that their security vulnerabilities are exploited by Beijing. They are insecure anyway, with many exploits discovered, but a quick search tells me that is the case for many CCTV cameras. The takeaway should be that all CCTV cameras are insecure and should be setup in private networks with no access to the internet. The security should be happening at a different architectural level regardless of who the supplier is. The choice to boycott a supplier for ethical reasons should be separate. Just my opinion of course.
    - TT482 4y ago
      yeah, tbh i think that's fair enough
Veen 4y ago
I think this is more to do with not buying hardware from Hikvision in the future because of its role in Uighur concentration camps.
- Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
  Not sure why this is downvoted. It's mentioned in the article: >There have been growing calls for a ban on their use, particularly in sensitive and high-security areas, in part due to Hikvision’s alleged role in aiding Chinese oppression in the Xinjiang province and Tibet. Big Brother Watch’s report alleged that Hikvision and Dahua have participated in China’s oppression of the Uyghur community in Xinjiang.
  - trasz2 4y ago

intelVISA 4y ago

Untrusted companies are companies that aren't currently paying me in some capacity.

_puk 4y ago
And trusted ones are owned by someone I know personally..
- mathieuh 4y ago
  Rishi how many times have we told you not to post online
the-smug-one 4y ago
Or they're companies which are located in a country where the state can and do put heavy pressure on the companies with no real recourse for the companies. It's not really strange to me that we'd prevent Hikvision cameras from being used in any sensitive context.

jahnu 4y ago

> remove all their cameras from UK As per the article, even though some have opted to remove them they aren't removing them all. Just banning future installations. > The new decision by the UK government includes a ban on the future installation of any security cameras...

doix 4y ago

I feel this way about many security reports, they look at some very basic thing (e.g. app permissions), extrapolate what is possible and then make some claims. Where are the in depth analysis reports? I want to see the reverse engineered code, ROM dumps, network dumps, hardware teardowns etc. I want to see what is getting collected, what is getting stored, what is getting sent and where.

gmn91 4y ago
don't know if this helps, but there's been weird traffic patterns reported from Hikvision cameras in places like Italy, though i think a lot of it has to do with the moral case for working with a company linked so closely to what's happening in Xinjiang https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Whos-Watching-You_The-dominance-of-Chinese-state-owned-CCTV-in-the-UK.pdf https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Wh...
- doix 4y ago
  > though i think a lot of it has to do with the moral case for working with a company linked so closely to what's happening in Xinjiang I think it's perfectly fine to boycott a company for unethical practices. I'm actually for boycotting them for ethical reasons. I dislike how security gets muddied with ethical things. People dislike a company and then throw whatever they can at them to see what sticks. I read the report, it states: > There is no direct evidence in the public domain that Hikvison or Dahua provide data to the Chinese state or that their security vulnerabilities are exploited by Beijing. They are insecure anyway, with many exploits discovered, but a quick search tells me that is the case for many CCTV cameras. The takeaway should be that all CCTV cameras are insecure and should be setup in private networks with no access to the internet. The security should be happening at a different architectural level regardless of who the supplier is. The choice to boycott a supplier for ethical reasons should be separate. Just my opinion of course.
  - TT482 4y ago
    yeah, tbh i think that's fair enough

Veen 4y ago

I think this is more to do with not buying hardware from Hikvision in the future because of its role in Uighur concentration camps.

Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
Not sure why this is downvoted. It's mentioned in the article: >There have been growing calls for a ban on their use, particularly in sensitive and high-security areas, in part due to Hikvision’s alleged role in aiding Chinese oppression in the Xinjiang province and Tibet. Big Brother Watch’s report alleged that Hikvision and Dahua have participated in China’s oppression of the Uyghur community in Xinjiang.
- trasz2 4y ago