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fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. If you sign a full-time contract and claim that you are only working a

by 314 4y ago

fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. If you sign a full-time contract and claim that you are only working a single job, while holding down multiple jobs then you are lying for financial gain.

reillyse 4y ago
But it’s such a vague statement that it could actually apply to lots of things. Like say advertisements. Say dating. Say pretty much everything that happens all the time. The definition of fraud you use is overly general.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  Perhaps you could provide another reasonable definition of fraud to support an argument that this behavior is not fraudulent?
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure a lot of what is described would fall under fraud in most jurisdictions if these things are in either of the contracts, as they tend to be in mine. 1. Length of hours worked per week and work start and end - if you are supposed to be working in times between 8 and 17 with a total of 37.5 hours worked per week if you do a couple 1 hour meetings between 9 and 16 for employer B every day then you have defrauded employer A because it would be impossible for you to make that 37.5 hours between 8 and 17 they are paying you for. You have deceived the company that you are working for them and receiving compensation while working for another company. It's pretty open and shut in legal terms and no but what about lying to a date pontificating is going to change that. 2. Do the contracts with companies have clauses about how they own everything you product technology wise while working for them? on edit: changed time usage from American to Military Time / European in one instance so all usages were aligned.
MetaKiller4000 4y ago
I don’t care what the contract says. If all of my employers are satisfied with my work, I don’t feel any remorse. Employment contracts are part of the game. Overemployment is part of the metagame :-)
- AstralStorm 4y ago
  Until you fail to deliver something on time, employer gets angry and either fires you or worse finds out about you breaching contract and sues. Then you would be paying through the nose and lawyering up. I know exactly of one such case only, though. I live in EU, and heard it was resolved by mediation but expensive for the party who breached it. I heard about a few more cases where someone was caught illegally subcontracting. These also tend to be much cleaner.
  - MetaKiller4000 4y ago
    If you do it smart they won’t be able to prove any wrongdoing. E.g. your second job should be contract work through your own offshore LLC, so you won’t show up in The Work Number and similar databases. A different evasion tactic could be getting paid in crypto.

by 314 4y ago

reillyse 4y ago

But it’s such a vague statement that it could actually apply to lots of things. Like say advertisements. Say dating. Say pretty much everything that happens all the time. The definition of fraud you use is overly general.

sokoloff 4y ago
Perhaps you could provide another reasonable definition of fraud to support an argument that this behavior is not fraudulent?
bryanrasmussen 4y ago
I'm pretty sure a lot of what is described would fall under fraud in most jurisdictions if these things are in either of the contracts, as they tend to be in mine. 1. Length of hours worked per week and work start and end - if you are supposed to be working in times between 8 and 17 with a total of 37.5 hours worked per week if you do a couple 1 hour meetings between 9 and 16 for employer B every day then you have defrauded employer A because it would be impossible for you to make that 37.5 hours between 8 and 17 they are paying you for. You have deceived the company that you are working for them and receiving compensation while working for another company. It's pretty open and shut in legal terms and no but what about lying to a date pontificating is going to change that. 2. Do the contracts with companies have clauses about how they own everything you product technology wise while working for them? on edit: changed time usage from American to Military Time / European in one instance so all usages were aligned.

MetaKiller4000 4y ago

I don’t care what the contract says. If all of my employers are satisfied with my work, I don’t feel any remorse. Employment contracts are part of the game. Overemployment is part of the metagame :-)

AstralStorm 4y ago
Until you fail to deliver something on time, employer gets angry and either fires you or worse finds out about you breaching contract and sues. Then you would be paying through the nose and lawyering up. I know exactly of one such case only, though. I live in EU, and heard it was resolved by mediation but expensive for the party who breached it. I heard about a few more cases where someone was caught illegally subcontracting. These also tend to be much cleaner.
- MetaKiller4000 4y ago
  If you do it smart they won’t be able to prove any wrongdoing. E.g. your second job should be contract work through your own offshore LLC, so you won’t show up in The Work Number and similar databases. A different evasion tactic could be getting paid in crypto.