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> most of the pollution comes from seaboard cities in developing nations. I also notice an disgusting amount of rubbish disposed of on the nearest pavement in

> most of the pollution comes from seaboard cities in developing nations. I also notice an disgusting amount of rubbish disposed of on the nearest pavement in developed nations.

tm-guimaraes 4y ago
Yes, that is true, some developed nations cities have disgusting pavements. Still, that doesn’t compare to every report I heard from people I know personally that went to visit, or had to work, or has families/grow in our former colonies. The waste management is orders of magnitude worse. Yes , people complain about Rome and SF streets, but those are nothing compared to the reports i’ve heard. It’s another circle of hell entirely. And remember that most of the world population is from developing nations (well I guess it depends on how you classify china and india, but those are only starting to care about environment now, for the last decade their focus was rapid industrialization, which is the biggest crime to the environment) Regarding “developed” vs “developing” categorization, I guess most people think about it differently, everyone has their bias and there’s lots of politics involved in the terms. But i would do the divide on whether sustainability/environment is one of the most constant political topics in the country, and most major political parties have to engage with it (to different levels). This means food and shelter are secure (even if prices are hard on people)
jacknews 4y ago
Of course, but honestly nothing compared to many developing cities, from first hand experience. And the developed pavement rubbish is collected, or if it's washed into the sewers, it's then filtered out before going to the river/sea. Not so in many developing nations, where it's often either thrown directly into the rivers, or washed there by heavy rains.
- blitzar 4y ago
  > it's then filtered out before going to the river/sea 31 Mar 2022 — Water companies discharged raw sewage into English rivers 372,533 times last year, a slight reduction on the previous year. They dont even filter the sewerage before dumping it in rivers. What mades you think that they are picking out all the other detritus?
  - jacknews 4y ago
    This is on an entirely different scale, and not only that, the UK water companies are under investigation for their practice of dumping sewage during storm overflow situations; it may be nefarious, it may simply be inadequate capacity. IMHO it's unlikely, unless they are being exceptionally brazen, that they're skipping the easiest and most easily observable step in sewage processing, filtering out solids.
  - legalthrowawy 4y ago
    Exception proving the rule? There’s regulation, there’s fines, there’s enforcement. Waste management companies do try to avoid those, and in some cases with big success. But some business trying their ways out of the laws, is very different from there being no law, no enforcement, no reporting, and bad management just being normal. I know people that worked in waste management companies, and lawsuits for bad management are real, and most operations run legally, but there is just huge amount of money to in some ocasions break the law. So the big shots call the big shot. Immoral and unethical move, but most people working there don’t get enough opportunities outside those companies so , they just follow along the big shot call. I do know some that left because of not wanting to lie if a lawsuit came. “I want to sleep at night with clean conscience “ . There’s plenty of FAANG engineers with plenty of opportunities outside, but it’s better to do some very ethical questionable stuff there. The thing is, you can only hide illegal stuff if most of the work you do is legal. But what if you don’t need to hide because there’s no laws or no enforcement? That’s the scenario on plenty of developing nations, the scale of bad waste disposal is just different. Same with “recycle your clothes” that some fast fashion brands do and pay with vouchers, is just green washing marketing shit to just burn them in international waters. Free trade between the worlds nations is very pretty, but when accountability is very different in different country you get shit like that. Just outsource illegal stuff. ( on a side note There’s plenty of FAANG engineers with plenty of opportunities outside, but it’s better to do some very ethical questionable stuff there. sure if your visa depends on the job it’s one thing, but plenty can just leave, but paycheck is too good or lifestyle was so inflated, that questionable development is the only thing that pays the bills)
    - hilbert42 4y ago
orangepurple 4y ago
This video talks about air pollution but pay attention to the things people throw on the ground https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC4saZg6sG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC4saZg6sG0
orangepurple 4y ago
Plastic and organic trash emanates from the coastlines of southeast Asian countries like energetic particles are emitted by the sun. Lots of it and in every direction.

> most of the pollution comes from seaboard cities in developing nations. I also notice an disgusting amount of rubbish disposed of on the nearest pavement in developed nations.

tm-guimaraes 4y ago

Yes, that is true, some developed nations cities have disgusting pavements. Still, that doesn’t compare to every report I heard from people I know personally that went to visit, or had to work, or has families/grow in our former colonies. The waste management is orders of magnitude worse. Yes , people complain about Rome and SF streets, but those are nothing compared to the reports i’ve heard. It’s another circle of hell entirely. And remember that most of the world population is from developing nations (well I guess it depends on how you classify china and india, but those are only starting to care about environment now, for the last decade their focus was rapid industrialization, which is the biggest crime to the environment) Regarding “developed” vs “developing” categorization, I guess most people think about it differently, everyone has their bias and there’s lots of politics involved in the terms. But i would do the divide on whether sustainability/environment is one of the most constant political topics in the country, and most major political parties have to engage with it (to different levels). This means food and shelter are secure (even if prices are hard on people)

jacknews 4y ago

Of course, but honestly nothing compared to many developing cities, from first hand experience. And the developed pavement rubbish is collected, or if it's washed into the sewers, it's then filtered out before going to the river/sea. Not so in many developing nations, where it's often either thrown directly into the rivers, or washed there by heavy rains.

blitzar 4y ago
> it's then filtered out before going to the river/sea 31 Mar 2022 — Water companies discharged raw sewage into English rivers 372,533 times last year, a slight reduction on the previous year. They dont even filter the sewerage before dumping it in rivers. What mades you think that they are picking out all the other detritus?
- jacknews 4y ago
  This is on an entirely different scale, and not only that, the UK water companies are under investigation for their practice of dumping sewage during storm overflow situations; it may be nefarious, it may simply be inadequate capacity. IMHO it's unlikely, unless they are being exceptionally brazen, that they're skipping the easiest and most easily observable step in sewage processing, filtering out solids.
- legalthrowawy 4y ago
  Exception proving the rule? There’s regulation, there’s fines, there’s enforcement. Waste management companies do try to avoid those, and in some cases with big success. But some business trying their ways out of the laws, is very different from there being no law, no enforcement, no reporting, and bad management just being normal. I know people that worked in waste management companies, and lawsuits for bad management are real, and most operations run legally, but there is just huge amount of money to in some ocasions break the law. So the big shots call the big shot. Immoral and unethical move, but most people working there don’t get enough opportunities outside those companies so , they just follow along the big shot call. I do know some that left because of not wanting to lie if a lawsuit came. “I want to sleep at night with clean conscience “ . There’s plenty of FAANG engineers with plenty of opportunities outside, but it’s better to do some very ethical questionable stuff there. The thing is, you can only hide illegal stuff if most of the work you do is legal. But what if you don’t need to hide because there’s no laws or no enforcement? That’s the scenario on plenty of developing nations, the scale of bad waste disposal is just different. Same with “recycle your clothes” that some fast fashion brands do and pay with vouchers, is just green washing marketing shit to just burn them in international waters. Free trade between the worlds nations is very pretty, but when accountability is very different in different country you get shit like that. Just outsource illegal stuff. ( on a side note There’s plenty of FAANG engineers with plenty of opportunities outside, but it’s better to do some very ethical questionable stuff there. sure if your visa depends on the job it’s one thing, but plenty can just leave, but paycheck is too good or lifestyle was so inflated, that questionable development is the only thing that pays the bills)
  - hilbert42 4y ago

orangepurple 4y ago

This video talks about air pollution but pay attention to the things people throw on the ground https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC4saZg6sG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC4saZg6sG0

orangepurple 4y ago

Plastic and organic trash emanates from the coastlines of southeast Asian countries like energetic particles are emitted by the sun. Lots of it and in every direction.