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Sucks for them, they could have gotten 3 months but only got one because they were hardcore like that

by rdtwo 4y ago

georgemcbay 4y ago
This is why I would have 100% certainly accepted that "I'm not hardcore enough" deal and left with the severance if I were a twitter employee even if I believed in Musk and his vision (which I don't, but let's pretend I did). Regardless of how you feel about whether he's ruining twitter or fixing it, there's a clear pattern of impulsiveness to his actions and I wouldn't have risked being in the situation of these people on the 3rd or 4th or whatever wave it is now even if I were drinking the kool-aid as far as his ambitions go. Of course, if its true that most of the people who didn't take the deal are trapped because of visa status, then I fully understand why they didn't take the deal.
- MrMan 4y ago
  I dont think he is impulsive, he and his friends hatched the roadmap over many weeks and months. I think its a very standard playbook in terms of the lore of finance and M&A, but I think that the non-conforming part is that it's a social media company and turnaround tactics from the playbook might or might not work, especially when implemented by a team who has experience using twitter to market Tesla in a post-modern way, but perhaps doesnt realize that the three sided relationship between the company,users, and advertisers can be destabilized quite easily. I dont know if Twitter had a core culture of excellence inside the bloat that exists in so many ad-driven companies, but the way the culling has happened seems almost deigned to destroy the engineering culture at the company, which I think is probably a miscalculation. The sad part is that people really are fungible to a certain extent because of the tools we have built to do software-based business. And it might be an overreaction to claim that just because the employees are being mistreated that the business of twitter is somehow doomed.
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BulgarianIdiot 4y ago
The people who clicked the "hardcore" button were mostly: 1. People with visas. 2. People with illness, like chemotherapy. 3. People who need the money to support a family, pay rent. 4. People who loved & cared about Twitter too much to abandon it. 5. People who decided to trust their boss one last time. Let's not mock those people.
- dccoolgai 4y ago
  I think we need to split some hairs here; 1-3 are deserving of sympathy - and it's really our collective shame that people are in that situation. 4 & 5 deserve to be mocked at this point.
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Sucks for them, they could have gotten 3 months but only got one because they were hardcore like that

by rdtwo 4y ago

Sucks for them, they could have gotten 3 months but only got one because they were hardcore like that

This is why I would have 100% certainly accepted that "I'm not hardcore enough" deal and left with the severance if I were a twitter employee even if I believed in Musk and his vision (which I don't, but let's pretend I did). Regardless of how you feel about whether he's ruining twitter or fixing it, there's a clear pattern of impulsiveness to his actions and I wouldn't have risked being in the situation of these people on the 3rd or 4th or whatever wave it is now even if I were drinking the kool-aid as far as his ambitions go. Of course, if its true that most of the people who didn't take the deal are trapped because of visa status, then I fully understand why they didn't take the deal.

MrMan 4y ago
I dont think he is impulsive, he and his friends hatched the roadmap over many weeks and months. I think its a very standard playbook in terms of the lore of finance and M&A, but I think that the non-conforming part is that it's a social media company and turnaround tactics from the playbook might or might not work, especially when implemented by a team who has experience using twitter to market Tesla in a post-modern way, but perhaps doesnt realize that the three sided relationship between the company,users, and advertisers can be destabilized quite easily. I dont know if Twitter had a core culture of excellence inside the bloat that exists in so many ad-driven companies, but the way the culling has happened seems almost deigned to destroy the engineering culture at the company, which I think is probably a miscalculation. The sad part is that people really are fungible to a certain extent because of the tools we have built to do software-based business. And it might be an overreaction to claim that just because the employees are being mistreated that the business of twitter is somehow doomed.
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BulgarianIdiot 4y ago

The people who clicked the "hardcore" button were mostly: 1. People with visas. 2. People with illness, like chemotherapy. 3. People who need the money to support a family, pay rent. 4. People who loved & cared about Twitter too much to abandon it. 5. People who decided to trust their boss one last time. Let's not mock those people.

dccoolgai 4y ago
I think we need to split some hairs here; 1-3 are deserving of sympathy - and it's really our collective shame that people are in that situation. 4 & 5 deserve to be mocked at this point.
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