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Odd that you choose not to mention that the rest of the fediverse dropped them over child pornography, which might leave some readers with the wrong impression

Odd that you choose not to mention that the rest of the fediverse dropped them over child pornography, which might leave some readers with the wrong impression about Pixiv's problems.

lmm 4y ago
Over a novel, non-standard definition of child pornography. I suspect the fediverse would find something equally offensive to redefine tumblr as responsible for.
- rodgerd 4y ago
  You have to be pretty far down the weeb hole to think that anime loli isn't regarded as child porn by anyone outside of that particular cave.
  - tpxl 4y ago
    There are reasons child pornography is bad and loli doesn't share any of those reasons. Equating those two is pearl clutching and an insult to victims of actual child pornography.
    - zimpenfish 4y ago
      Regardless of the specific distinction between the two, it would be possibly illegal for me, as a UKian, to allow that content[1] - "The Act made it illegal to own any picture depicting under-18s participating in sexual activities, or depictions of sexual activity in the presence of someone under 18 years old." (I admit that I am not well versed enough in "anime loli" to know whether it is just "sexual activities" or more nuanced but I'm not risking a jail sentence either way, thanks. UKGOV is trigger happy on anything CSAM/fictional CSAM.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...
    - rkangel 4y ago
      There are reasons child pornography is bad and loli shares some (but by no means all) of the reasons. Just because loli isn't as bad as 'normal' child pornography doesn't mean that it's not still bad. Sexualisation of minors is not a good thing, and taking a stance against it is a perfectly reasonable action. For example - Netflix's "Cuties" film should never have been made, except that it did at least draw some attention to the real life pageants that are themselves a problem.
  - GaggiX 4y ago
    I think many people would find it reasonable to draw a line between victimless drawing and abuse material, regardless of whether it contains children, gore, violence, bestiality, rape, etc.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Over a novel, non-standard definition of child pornography. The problem is, there are jurisdictions in which loli and similar content can be classified as CSAM [1], and there are jurisdictions where e.g. the operator of a federation server can be held liable for facilitating access or for not blocking access to such material, even if the material in question isn't hosted at that server, such as in Germany (the case in question [2] was about software piracy, but the general legal principles apply just the same). Legal systems worldwide haven't even begun to catch up with tech developments, and I think it will take at least a decade until regulations adapt. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Legality_and_censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Legality_and_censorshi... [2] https://rsw.beck.de/aktuell/daily/meldung/detail/bgh-kein-unterlassungsanspruch-des-rechtsinhabers-mehr-bei-urheberrechtsverletzungen-ueber-ungesichertes-wlan-sperranspruch-aber-gegeben https://rsw.beck.de/aktuell/daily/meldung/detail/bgh-kein-un...

Odd that you choose not to mention that the rest of the fediverse dropped them over child pornography, which might leave some readers with the wrong impression about Pixiv's problems.

lmm 4y ago

Over a novel, non-standard definition of child pornography. I suspect the fediverse would find something equally offensive to redefine tumblr as responsible for.

rodgerd 4y ago
You have to be pretty far down the weeb hole to think that anime loli isn't regarded as child porn by anyone outside of that particular cave.
- tpxl 4y ago
  There are reasons child pornography is bad and loli doesn't share any of those reasons. Equating those two is pearl clutching and an insult to victims of actual child pornography.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    Regardless of the specific distinction between the two, it would be possibly illegal for me, as a UKian, to allow that content[1] - "The Act made it illegal to own any picture depicting under-18s participating in sexual activities, or depictions of sexual activity in the presence of someone under 18 years old." (I admit that I am not well versed enough in "anime loli" to know whether it is just "sexual activities" or more nuanced but I'm not risking a jail sentence either way, thanks. UKGOV is trigger happy on anything CSAM/fictional CSAM.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...
  - rkangel 4y ago
    There are reasons child pornography is bad and loli shares some (but by no means all) of the reasons. Just because loli isn't as bad as 'normal' child pornography doesn't mean that it's not still bad. Sexualisation of minors is not a good thing, and taking a stance against it is a perfectly reasonable action. For example - Netflix's "Cuties" film should never have been made, except that it did at least draw some attention to the real life pageants that are themselves a problem.
- GaggiX 4y ago
  I think many people would find it reasonable to draw a line between victimless drawing and abuse material, regardless of whether it contains children, gore, violence, bestiality, rape, etc.
mschuster91 4y ago
> Over a novel, non-standard definition of child pornography. The problem is, there are jurisdictions in which loli and similar content can be classified as CSAM [1], and there are jurisdictions where e.g. the operator of a federation server can be held liable for facilitating access or for not blocking access to such material, even if the material in question isn't hosted at that server, such as in Germany (the case in question [2] was about software piracy, but the general legal principles apply just the same). Legal systems worldwide haven't even begun to catch up with tech developments, and I think it will take at least a decade until regulations adapt. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Legality_and_censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Legality_and_censorshi... [2] https://rsw.beck.de/aktuell/daily/meldung/detail/bgh-kein-unterlassungsanspruch-des-rechtsinhabers-mehr-bei-urheberrechtsverletzungen-ueber-ungesichertes-wlan-sperranspruch-aber-gegeben https://rsw.beck.de/aktuell/daily/meldung/detail/bgh-kein-un...