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I have no idea how a prosecutor can take down these organized rings. The entire method prosecutors use for say exotic drugs, guns, etc: "Ok we have you for 5 y

I have no idea how a prosecutor can take down these organized rings. The entire method prosecutors use for say exotic drugs, guns, etc: "Ok we have you for 5 years here, who do you work for, make these phone calls, we can get your sentence down to parole". This allows prosecutors to work their way up. But if a prosecutor is sitting in front of a low level shop lifter - who gets out that day - i don't see any prosecutor leverage.

prvit 4y ago
- TillE 4y ago
  Without American cop show bluster, without pretrial detention except for serious crimes, and without lengthy prison sentences.
  - prvit 4y ago
    Mostly, except pretrial detention for minor crimes is unfortunately still not that uncommon in Europe. The lack of bail often makes this worse, a weird obsession with “fairness” forces us to continue locking up people with sufficient assets to insure against absconding. Poor people can’t afford bail? Better make everyone else suffer too.
    - codedokode 4y ago
      It is unfair indeed. A fair solution would be to improve conditions for everyone so that they can live in comfortable conditions before trial.
    - Kbelicius 4y ago
      So what you are basically saying is that poor people should suffer more for committing the same crime as someone rich.
      - prvit 4y ago
        > So what you are basically saying is that poor people should suffer more for committing the same crime as someone rich. Do you believe that rich people should suffer more because poor people can’t afford bail? If you break a leg, should everyone else have their legs broken too? That’d be fair, right?
        Kbelicius 4y ago
        > Do you believe that rich people should suffer more because poor people can’t afford bail? They aren't suffering more than poor. > If you break a leg, should everyone else have their legs broken too? That’d be fair, right? No.
        prvit 4y ago
        > They aren't suffering more than poor. But they are suffering more than they would if given the ability to post bail.
  - pyuser583 4y ago
    And without the same commitment to privacy. Police have much greater search powers in Europe and there is massive surveillance of public spaces. In the UK, junior policemen walk up to you and ask you to remove your hat. So the camera can see your face.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Somehow in Europe they have a similar shrinkage rate to the US. https://www.retailresearch.org/crime-comparisons.html https://www.retailresearch.org/crime-comparisons.html
  - prvit 4y ago
    >2019
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      And? US policy on handling shoplifters has not undergone any meaningful change in just the last couple years; I assume Europe has also largely maintained the status quo.
      - prvit 4y ago
        We’re discussing a new phenomenon that has only recently showed up in the US.
LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
Conspiracy charges? Airtags in their shoes?

prvit 4y ago

TillE 4y ago
Without American cop show bluster, without pretrial detention except for serious crimes, and without lengthy prison sentences.
- prvit 4y ago
  Mostly, except pretrial detention for minor crimes is unfortunately still not that uncommon in Europe. The lack of bail often makes this worse, a weird obsession with “fairness” forces us to continue locking up people with sufficient assets to insure against absconding. Poor people can’t afford bail? Better make everyone else suffer too.
  - codedokode 4y ago
    It is unfair indeed. A fair solution would be to improve conditions for everyone so that they can live in comfortable conditions before trial.
  - Kbelicius 4y ago
    So what you are basically saying is that poor people should suffer more for committing the same crime as someone rich.
    - prvit 4y ago
      > So what you are basically saying is that poor people should suffer more for committing the same crime as someone rich. Do you believe that rich people should suffer more because poor people can’t afford bail? If you break a leg, should everyone else have their legs broken too? That’d be fair, right?
      - Kbelicius 4y ago
        > Do you believe that rich people should suffer more because poor people can’t afford bail? They aren't suffering more than poor. > If you break a leg, should everyone else have their legs broken too? That’d be fair, right? No.
        prvit 4y ago
        > They aren't suffering more than poor. But they are suffering more than they would if given the ability to post bail.
- pyuser583 4y ago
  And without the same commitment to privacy. Police have much greater search powers in Europe and there is massive surveillance of public spaces. In the UK, junior policemen walk up to you and ask you to remove your hat. So the camera can see your face.
rootusrootus 4y ago
Somehow in Europe they have a similar shrinkage rate to the US. https://www.retailresearch.org/crime-comparisons.html https://www.retailresearch.org/crime-comparisons.html
- prvit 4y ago
  >2019
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    And? US policy on handling shoplifters has not undergone any meaningful change in just the last couple years; I assume Europe has also largely maintained the status quo.
    - prvit 4y ago
      We’re discussing a new phenomenon that has only recently showed up in the US.

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago

Conspiracy charges? Airtags in their shoes?