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Well I certainly didn't have "Tumblr becomes culturally relevant in 2023 after adding federated content cross-compatibility with foss platforms" on my bingo car

Well I certainly didn't have "Tumblr becomes culturally relevant in 2023 after adding federated content cross-compatibility with foss platforms" on my bingo card, but here we are I guess.

musk_micropenis 4y ago
- scheeseman486 4y ago
  Federation is broad. Email, Usenet, IRC and the web are federated and at least two of those remain relevant and all four continue to exist.
  - judge2020 4y ago
    But can you really say that "because it's adding federation, it'll regain its popularity"? Also, where is this federated IRC you speak of? There's no cross-server identity or data transfer baked into the protocol.
    - avian 4y ago
      > where is this federated IRC you speak of? IRC has the ability to form networks of servers which share identities and chat channels. There used to be a few large networks and many popular servers were part of one of them. Back in the 90s "being on IRC" commonly meant having a nickname on one of these networks.
    - charcircuit 4y ago
      >Also, where is this federated IRC you speak of? Freenode is one. >There's no cross-server identity Your identity is your nickname.
    - stonogo 4y ago
      You don't get to redefine 'federation' because you prefer an approach different than IRC undertakes. It's very much federated and always has been. Data transfer is in the RFC: 2.3 Messages Servers and clients send eachother messages which may or may not generate a reply.
  - c1sc0 4y ago
    Why can’t we run more things on top of email as a backend?
    - chimeracoder 4y ago
      > Why can’t we run more things on top of email as a backend? Security, speed, and lock-in. Email is hard to secure without using out-of-band mechanisms, and at that point if you're already not adhering to an existing standard you might as well write your own. Email is fast for what it does, but it's not fast enough to handle the low-latency and interactive environment of something like Twitter. We don't notice this as much because so many people are used to using the same 2-3 email providers (heck, Google alone probably accounts for most personal email), but in a truly federated environment there can be noticeable delays. SMTP explicitly allows for this and provides mechanisms to handle it. And lastly, building on top of email makes it hard to achieve vendor lock-in, which makes it hard to make money.
- plaguepilled 4y ago
  Interesting take. Counterpoint: why tho?
- Shared404 4y ago
  ... That's not what OP said? Also - I've seen stats from Mastodon servers and there's definitely been an explosion of interest. Same as tumblr has seen.
- suprjami 4y ago
  That's why news sites are writing articles about it. They always cover the most inane irrelevant stuff so that people don't read their sites. Great argument.
- spion 4y ago
  Tell that to everyone using email
whateveracct 4y ago
Tumblr clearly has a good "soul" - if you will. We'll see if it lasts, but the website is definitely a certain kind of special. Glad to have been part of it for the last decade+
brap 4y ago
How is adopting a niche tech standard being “culturally relevant”? The vast majority of people outside of tech simply do not know about, or care to know anything about ActivityPub. They only care about the value that these social platforms provide to them. It shouldn’t be surprising that the most valuable platforms (judging by usage) are centralized and proprietary. I can see the parallels between this and crypto. Cool tech, but not what people want. This isn’t being “culturally relevant”, quite the opposite. This is catering to a small niche. If anything, this smells like desperation from Tumblr who was once a juggernaut in the social media space.
- jtode 4y ago
  Most of the culture is irrelevant, so being culturally relevant is overrated anyways. This is just smart. I think when this all shakes out, most people are still going to be on a Meta-like platform run by a for-profit company, but one which has capitulated to opening up a pipe into and out of the garden so that those with the ability to manage their own data are able to do so. Tumblr apparently believes the same (it's one of the scenarios where they don't turn into Yahoo's directory of internet websites and eventually have to sell their server room to Private Equity frat bros, so of course they do), and they have correctly identified that ActivityPub is the champion of this moment of upheaval. Implementing it with the resources of a full-on platform has always been trivial; it's not already there because they have all been playing the "move into our company town and use all our company services or we don't want you" game, and AP murders that model. If someone points me in the direction of a bookie who will take the bet, I'll bet twenty bucks at any odds that within five years, AP (or something that does exactly the same thing) is either free or available as a premium feature on every social media site that is, as you say, culturally relevant.
  - chriswarbo 4y ago
    > I think when this all shakes out, most people are still going to be on a Meta-like platform run by a for-profit company, but one which has capitulated to opening up a pipe into and out of the garden so that those with the ability to manage their own data are able to do so. Reality has gone the exact opposite way: Facebook accounts used to accept email, and their chat used to interoperate with XMPP. Both features helped them grow, and were switched off once they'd reached a dominant position. Twitter followed a similar path, with many third-party clients and other projects built around their API (plus native support for SMS). Once they grew, those APIs were removed or restricted, to funnel users into official clients (which display ads). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...
kweingar 4y ago
Not sure what federation with FOSS platforms has to do with cultural relevance.
- qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
  Its the second stage of social implants. First get society to communicate through a plattform, that allows for moderation, self-moderation and upholding of civilization even when states break down via panopticon effects. (Also show some adds, vision may be compromised) Then make certain that hostile, powerfull actors can not capture those platforms and use them for surveilance, while the very same platform can not be used to coordinate violence. Its all scenario-tree root hardening, basically not a investment into a specific future, but a increasing of all chances to recover should the branch your current scenario resides on give and you root back to a past-scenario with reduced capabilities. Welcome to a disability-friendly planet, redesigned for your very special human needs, preventing self destructive riots when the good times end. All dangerous toys are removed, to prevent you blowing up nuclear power plants during times of strife. Its super depressing, but then so is the state in which we are. A unmodified, unadapted primal creature, that by the use of tools has squeezed itself between a rock and a hard place. A technology roof, that if fully explored, ever amplifies the unstable individual until everyone has a red button. Meanwhile the facade of civilization does not even survive a day without those advances. Sucks to be a zookeeper right now.
- jrajav 4y ago
  Federated platforms are definitely relevant right now, as a direct result of the current very public mismanagement of Twitter and resulting public freakout. I've heard Mastodon mentioned at work (where it's not a competitor) and in several different social circles. Maybe you just aren't tapped in?
  - arsome 4y ago
    Maybe I'm just not in with the cool kids but it feels like social media in general is just kind of dying in a lot of circles, outside of content platforms like YouTube and TikTok at least. Direct group chats via Discord, Telegram, Signal, etc are the main ways of communicating and beyond those do you really need - or have any desire - to communicate with random strangers? It seems the like vanity and excitement of the early internet is dying out and more normal social circles are being established.
aliqot 4y ago
Where are these bingo cards issued? I hear this often, curious what prize there may be out there. Sorry if a stupid question, I'm assuming it's a blockchain thing.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  You make your own! I may or may not be guilty of making a few in the time leading up to corporate town hall meetings at a former employer. Just pick out management's favourite buzzwords and projects du jour, randomize the layout, CC your office buddies and see who wins!
  - nibbleshifter 4y ago
    I usually make one in paint during the annual "where the vendors talk at us for two days" sales thing at my day job.
- LikesPwsh 4y ago
  It's usually metaphorical, but here's somebody that made a generator-https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/ywkjy1/bingo_cards_get_your_crypto_crash_bingo_cards_here https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/ywkjy1/bingo_card...
- searchableguy 4y ago
  > Sorry if a stupid question, I'm assuming it's a blockchain thing. That's an interesting idea. Build a smart contract which can issue bingo cards and keep track of it publicly.
- chimeracoder 4y ago
  It's a meme - it's a way of saying "this is really unexpected; we live in unpredictable times".
  - aliqot 4y ago
    Ah, thanks.

Well I certainly didn't have "Tumblr becomes culturally relevant in 2023 after adding federated content cross-compatibility with foss platforms" on my bingo card, but here we are I guess.

musk_micropenis 4y ago

scheeseman486 4y ago
Federation is broad. Email, Usenet, IRC and the web are federated and at least two of those remain relevant and all four continue to exist.
- judge2020 4y ago
  But can you really say that "because it's adding federation, it'll regain its popularity"? Also, where is this federated IRC you speak of? There's no cross-server identity or data transfer baked into the protocol.
  - avian 4y ago
    > where is this federated IRC you speak of? IRC has the ability to form networks of servers which share identities and chat channels. There used to be a few large networks and many popular servers were part of one of them. Back in the 90s "being on IRC" commonly meant having a nickname on one of these networks.
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    >Also, where is this federated IRC you speak of? Freenode is one. >There's no cross-server identity Your identity is your nickname.
  - stonogo 4y ago
    You don't get to redefine 'federation' because you prefer an approach different than IRC undertakes. It's very much federated and always has been. Data transfer is in the RFC: 2.3 Messages Servers and clients send eachother messages which may or may not generate a reply.
- c1sc0 4y ago
  Why can’t we run more things on top of email as a backend?
  - chimeracoder 4y ago
    > Why can’t we run more things on top of email as a backend? Security, speed, and lock-in. Email is hard to secure without using out-of-band mechanisms, and at that point if you're already not adhering to an existing standard you might as well write your own. Email is fast for what it does, but it's not fast enough to handle the low-latency and interactive environment of something like Twitter. We don't notice this as much because so many people are used to using the same 2-3 email providers (heck, Google alone probably accounts for most personal email), but in a truly federated environment there can be noticeable delays. SMTP explicitly allows for this and provides mechanisms to handle it. And lastly, building on top of email makes it hard to achieve vendor lock-in, which makes it hard to make money.
plaguepilled 4y ago
Interesting take. Counterpoint: why tho?
Shared404 4y ago
... That's not what OP said? Also - I've seen stats from Mastodon servers and there's definitely been an explosion of interest. Same as tumblr has seen.
suprjami 4y ago
That's why news sites are writing articles about it. They always cover the most inane irrelevant stuff so that people don't read their sites. Great argument.
spion 4y ago
Tell that to everyone using email

whateveracct 4y ago

Tumblr clearly has a good "soul" - if you will. We'll see if it lasts, but the website is definitely a certain kind of special. Glad to have been part of it for the last decade+

brap 4y ago

How is adopting a niche tech standard being “culturally relevant”? The vast majority of people outside of tech simply do not know about, or care to know anything about ActivityPub. They only care about the value that these social platforms provide to them. It shouldn’t be surprising that the most valuable platforms (judging by usage) are centralized and proprietary. I can see the parallels between this and crypto. Cool tech, but not what people want. This isn’t being “culturally relevant”, quite the opposite. This is catering to a small niche. If anything, this smells like desperation from Tumblr who was once a juggernaut in the social media space.

jtode 4y ago
Most of the culture is irrelevant, so being culturally relevant is overrated anyways. This is just smart. I think when this all shakes out, most people are still going to be on a Meta-like platform run by a for-profit company, but one which has capitulated to opening up a pipe into and out of the garden so that those with the ability to manage their own data are able to do so. Tumblr apparently believes the same (it's one of the scenarios where they don't turn into Yahoo's directory of internet websites and eventually have to sell their server room to Private Equity frat bros, so of course they do), and they have correctly identified that ActivityPub is the champion of this moment of upheaval. Implementing it with the resources of a full-on platform has always been trivial; it's not already there because they have all been playing the "move into our company town and use all our company services or we don't want you" game, and AP murders that model. If someone points me in the direction of a bookie who will take the bet, I'll bet twenty bucks at any odds that within five years, AP (or something that does exactly the same thing) is either free or available as a premium feature on every social media site that is, as you say, culturally relevant.
- chriswarbo 4y ago
  > I think when this all shakes out, most people are still going to be on a Meta-like platform run by a for-profit company, but one which has capitulated to opening up a pipe into and out of the garden so that those with the ability to manage their own data are able to do so. Reality has gone the exact opposite way: Facebook accounts used to accept email, and their chat used to interoperate with XMPP. Both features helped them grow, and were switched off once they'd reached a dominant position. Twitter followed a similar path, with many third-party clients and other projects built around their API (plus native support for SMS). Once they grew, those APIs were removed or restricted, to funnel users into official clients (which display ads). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

kweingar 4y ago

Not sure what federation with FOSS platforms has to do with cultural relevance.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
Its the second stage of social implants. First get society to communicate through a plattform, that allows for moderation, self-moderation and upholding of civilization even when states break down via panopticon effects. (Also show some adds, vision may be compromised) Then make certain that hostile, powerfull actors can not capture those platforms and use them for surveilance, while the very same platform can not be used to coordinate violence. Its all scenario-tree root hardening, basically not a investment into a specific future, but a increasing of all chances to recover should the branch your current scenario resides on give and you root back to a past-scenario with reduced capabilities. Welcome to a disability-friendly planet, redesigned for your very special human needs, preventing self destructive riots when the good times end. All dangerous toys are removed, to prevent you blowing up nuclear power plants during times of strife. Its super depressing, but then so is the state in which we are. A unmodified, unadapted primal creature, that by the use of tools has squeezed itself between a rock and a hard place. A technology roof, that if fully explored, ever amplifies the unstable individual until everyone has a red button. Meanwhile the facade of civilization does not even survive a day without those advances. Sucks to be a zookeeper right now.
jrajav 4y ago
Federated platforms are definitely relevant right now, as a direct result of the current very public mismanagement of Twitter and resulting public freakout. I've heard Mastodon mentioned at work (where it's not a competitor) and in several different social circles. Maybe you just aren't tapped in?
- arsome 4y ago
  Maybe I'm just not in with the cool kids but it feels like social media in general is just kind of dying in a lot of circles, outside of content platforms like YouTube and TikTok at least. Direct group chats via Discord, Telegram, Signal, etc are the main ways of communicating and beyond those do you really need - or have any desire - to communicate with random strangers? It seems the like vanity and excitement of the early internet is dying out and more normal social circles are being established.

aliqot 4y ago

Where are these bingo cards issued? I hear this often, curious what prize there may be out there. Sorry if a stupid question, I'm assuming it's a blockchain thing.

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
You make your own! I may or may not be guilty of making a few in the time leading up to corporate town hall meetings at a former employer. Just pick out management's favourite buzzwords and projects du jour, randomize the layout, CC your office buddies and see who wins!
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  I usually make one in paint during the annual "where the vendors talk at us for two days" sales thing at my day job.
LikesPwsh 4y ago
It's usually metaphorical, but here's somebody that made a generator-https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/ywkjy1/bingo_cards_get_your_crypto_crash_bingo_cards_here https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/ywkjy1/bingo_card...
searchableguy 4y ago
> Sorry if a stupid question, I'm assuming it's a blockchain thing. That's an interesting idea. Build a smart contract which can issue bingo cards and keep track of it publicly.
chimeracoder 4y ago
It's a meme - it's a way of saying "this is really unexpected; we live in unpredictable times".
- aliqot 4y ago
  Ah, thanks.