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The way North Americans will "pay" for it is by simply using the chargers and paying for the charge, just like they do with any other charging network. It reall

The way North Americans will "pay" for it is by simply using the chargers and paying for the charge, just like they do with any other charging network. It really isn't more complicated than that. Incompatibility is not a good or worthwhile thing. But it is funny to see you mount a defense of incompatibility via the internet, a network based on open standards and built from the ground up with compatibility in mind.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
If supporters of open standards want open standards, sometimes they will have to pay for them. It’s unreasonable to dump the costs onto others out of ideology. DC fast charging barely breaks even due to hardware and demand charge costs, Tesla makes it work because their margins are robust where legacy automakers can barely turn a profit on EVs. It’s a utility cost center, not a profit center. Perhaps government building out the network, and then charging an access fee for every unit sold by all automakers would’ve been a solution, but that time has passed. https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nearly-all-high-voltage-ev-charging-stations-lose-money-report/561026/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nearly-all-high-voltage-ev-... https://scripts.betterenergy.org/reports/GPI_DCFC_Analysis_July_2019.pdf https://scripts.betterenergy.org/reports/GPI_DCFC_Analysis_J...
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > It’s unreasonable to dump the costs onto others out of ideology. You think compatible infrastructure is ideologically driven? It is not. It is driven by pure practicality. What, you think every appliance in your home should require incompatible sockets? You think every road should only be compatible with particular brands of cars? You think mobile phones should use incompatible communications so a phone is stranded on a particular network? Such things are beyond dumb and are wasteful. Both the articles you linked to are from three years ago when there were fewer EVs on the road. There are still few EVs on the road relative to other cars. You're not thinking long term. Your claims don't match the reality that small charging networks like FastNed are growing and expanding: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/locations https://fastnedcharging.com/en/locations Or the reality that supermarket chains are putting in chargers which are faster than anything Tesla currently offers: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-electric-vehicles/lidl-opens-first-cut-price-ev-charging-station-france https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-electric-vehicle... These things are possible because Europe has a common charging standard. Common infrastructure standards drive investment and development.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

If supporters of open standards want open standards, sometimes they will have to pay for them. It’s unreasonable to dump the costs onto others out of ideology. DC fast charging barely breaks even due to hardware and demand charge costs, Tesla makes it work because their margins are robust where legacy automakers can barely turn a profit on EVs. It’s a utility cost center, not a profit center. Perhaps government building out the network, and then charging an access fee for every unit sold by all automakers would’ve been a solution, but that time has passed. https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nearly-all-high-voltage-ev-charging-stations-lose-money-report/561026/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nearly-all-high-voltage-ev-... https://scripts.betterenergy.org/reports/GPI_DCFC_Analysis_July_2019.pdf https://scripts.betterenergy.org/reports/GPI_DCFC_Analysis_J...

clouddrover 4y ago
> It’s unreasonable to dump the costs onto others out of ideology. You think compatible infrastructure is ideologically driven? It is not. It is driven by pure practicality. What, you think every appliance in your home should require incompatible sockets? You think every road should only be compatible with particular brands of cars? You think mobile phones should use incompatible communications so a phone is stranded on a particular network? Such things are beyond dumb and are wasteful. Both the articles you linked to are from three years ago when there were fewer EVs on the road. There are still few EVs on the road relative to other cars. You're not thinking long term. Your claims don't match the reality that small charging networks like FastNed are growing and expanding: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/locations https://fastnedcharging.com/en/locations Or the reality that supermarket chains are putting in chargers which are faster than anything Tesla currently offers: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-electric-vehicles/lidl-opens-first-cut-price-ev-charging-station-france https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-electric-vehicle... These things are possible because Europe has a common charging standard. Common infrastructure standards drive investment and development.