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Why West can promote separatists, terrorists and internal divisions with zero consequences? If Texas had a separatist movement that wanted to start a civil war

Why West can promote separatists, terrorists and internal divisions with zero consequences? If Texas had a separatist movement that wanted to start a civil war to secede from the United States do you think it wouldn't be crushed? The United Kingdom is the worst offender in this, they violently repressed any revolutionary attempt in their colonies. Honk Kong is a chinese teritory, end of story. Like Texas, or the city of London. If those regions started violent protest to independize, they would be repressed. End of story. Shame on the West for such blatant imperialist attempt at meddling with chinese internal affairs.

SilverBirch 4y ago
You haven't really picked the best example here, because in the last decade the UK literally gave Scotland a referendum on leaving the union. So yes, the UK does support a right to self-determination, even for integral parts of their territory. It's also worth noting that in response to China's moves in HK hundreds of thousands of HK residents have fled to.. the UK.
kybernetyk 4y ago
Two wrongs don't make one right. While your first two paragraphs are correct your conclusion is totally bonkers.
- my_city 4y ago
  There is only one wrong, which is the story of western nations (the british mainly, but all of Europe to a lesser extent) and non western (Japan) colonizing, invading, and exploiting China as a colony. Honk Kong was taken from China and only restituted in 1997. That the BBC, the main promoter of british colonialism talks about the honk kong protests as if they were some "heroic" people, is just imperialism in the 21th Century. Plain and simple. Is disgusting. The british invaded and subjugated the chinese for centuries, took their land from them, and now they have the nerve to try and stir internal rebellions? Are you so deep into imperialist ideology that you cannot see what this is? China has absolute right to govern over their lawful territories, which include Honk Kong and Macao. Western powers cannot continue exercising imperialism in the 21th century. This is absolutely disgusting. If China was trying to incite rebellions in british territories, promoting the views and opinions of independentist terrorists, what would be your opinion? What would be the opinion of "the media"? Is simply disgusting, plain and simple imperialism.
  - zelos 4y ago
    > That the BBC, the main promoter of british colonialism... I take it you don't actually watch any BBC output, then?
    - my_city 4y ago
      What is this piece of "news" but pure and unashamed imperialism against a british former colony?
  - vanviegen 4y ago
    In your opinion, do nations have the irrevocable right to rule over every region they once possessed? Even if the region's population doesn't want it to? And what if the region has, during an important part of its history, been an independent state? Where do you draw the 'disgusting imperialism' line?
alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
You said "The United Kingdom is the worst offender in this, they violently repressed any revolutionary attempt in their colonies." And they you said it is fine that China does it? Hong Kong is more like Puerto Rico than like Texas. However, people from Hong Kong don't want to live under the ccp, while Puerto Ricans complain they arent better integrated to the US. Go figure.
- my_city 4y ago
  China has not reached the level of brutality that the british inflicred upon the world, not by far. But there is also a key difference: Honk Kong is China. China didn't invade Honk Kong, is not a colony, is simply another chinese region. What bussiness did the british have in India? Would you consider India a "legitimate" british territory, or a colony? Same with Puerto Rico, it is a colony, what bussiness does the USA have in Puerto Rico? Is not part of their natural geographical territory, they are simply colonies. The same cannot be said about Honk Kong. Is as chinese as Alaska is american or the Canary islands are Spanish and so on. The british and american media are promoting independentism, terrorism and civil war to cause internal conflict in peaceful nations. That has always been their strategy when they cannot subjugate a nation by force. Promote conflict, war, divisions, invent excuses to invade, to boycott, to embargo. Blame others of what you do. This is simply imperialism against China. Honk Kong is chinese territory, plain and simple, and western nationd have no bussiness promoting civil wars or independentism in foreign nations. This is not the 19 and 20th century anymore. Colonialism and imperialism are simply unnaceptable.
  - another_story 4y ago
    If imperialism and colonialism are wrong maybe China should stop doing it in Africa and South East Asia.
    - my_city 4y ago
      What imperialism, what colonialism are you talking about? Investing in infrastructure, roads, railroads, schools and commerce that benefits the lives of millions in a continent that was savaged by European powers? Europeans only brought wars, bombs, genocide, enslavement and pillage to Africa. China brings railroads and commerce that increase the standard of living. How can westerners be so blind to the fact that they are the problem and that other countries want to have mutually beneficial relationships with them rather than invade and enslave their people?
richbell 4y ago
> Shame on the West for such blatant imperialist attempt at meddling with chinese internal affairs. Shame on you for creating a throwaway account defending China's brutal authoritarian regime with whataboutisms.

SilverBirch 4y ago

You haven't really picked the best example here, because in the last decade the UK literally gave Scotland a referendum on leaving the union. So yes, the UK does support a right to self-determination, even for integral parts of their territory. It's also worth noting that in response to China's moves in HK hundreds of thousands of HK residents have fled to.. the UK.

kybernetyk 4y ago

Two wrongs don't make one right. While your first two paragraphs are correct your conclusion is totally bonkers.

my_city 4y ago
There is only one wrong, which is the story of western nations (the british mainly, but all of Europe to a lesser extent) and non western (Japan) colonizing, invading, and exploiting China as a colony. Honk Kong was taken from China and only restituted in 1997. That the BBC, the main promoter of british colonialism talks about the honk kong protests as if they were some "heroic" people, is just imperialism in the 21th Century. Plain and simple. Is disgusting. The british invaded and subjugated the chinese for centuries, took their land from them, and now they have the nerve to try and stir internal rebellions? Are you so deep into imperialist ideology that you cannot see what this is? China has absolute right to govern over their lawful territories, which include Honk Kong and Macao. Western powers cannot continue exercising imperialism in the 21th century. This is absolutely disgusting. If China was trying to incite rebellions in british territories, promoting the views and opinions of independentist terrorists, what would be your opinion? What would be the opinion of "the media"? Is simply disgusting, plain and simple imperialism.
- zelos 4y ago
  > That the BBC, the main promoter of british colonialism... I take it you don't actually watch any BBC output, then?
  - my_city 4y ago
    What is this piece of "news" but pure and unashamed imperialism against a british former colony?
- vanviegen 4y ago
  In your opinion, do nations have the irrevocable right to rule over every region they once possessed? Even if the region's population doesn't want it to? And what if the region has, during an important part of its history, been an independent state? Where do you draw the 'disgusting imperialism' line?

alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago

You said "The United Kingdom is the worst offender in this, they violently repressed any revolutionary attempt in their colonies." And they you said it is fine that China does it? Hong Kong is more like Puerto Rico than like Texas. However, people from Hong Kong don't want to live under the ccp, while Puerto Ricans complain they arent better integrated to the US. Go figure.

my_city 4y ago
China has not reached the level of brutality that the british inflicred upon the world, not by far. But there is also a key difference: Honk Kong is China. China didn't invade Honk Kong, is not a colony, is simply another chinese region. What bussiness did the british have in India? Would you consider India a "legitimate" british territory, or a colony? Same with Puerto Rico, it is a colony, what bussiness does the USA have in Puerto Rico? Is not part of their natural geographical territory, they are simply colonies. The same cannot be said about Honk Kong. Is as chinese as Alaska is american or the Canary islands are Spanish and so on. The british and american media are promoting independentism, terrorism and civil war to cause internal conflict in peaceful nations. That has always been their strategy when they cannot subjugate a nation by force. Promote conflict, war, divisions, invent excuses to invade, to boycott, to embargo. Blame others of what you do. This is simply imperialism against China. Honk Kong is chinese territory, plain and simple, and western nationd have no bussiness promoting civil wars or independentism in foreign nations. This is not the 19 and 20th century anymore. Colonialism and imperialism are simply unnaceptable.
- another_story 4y ago
  If imperialism and colonialism are wrong maybe China should stop doing it in Africa and South East Asia.
  - my_city 4y ago
    What imperialism, what colonialism are you talking about? Investing in infrastructure, roads, railroads, schools and commerce that benefits the lives of millions in a continent that was savaged by European powers? Europeans only brought wars, bombs, genocide, enslavement and pillage to Africa. China brings railroads and commerce that increase the standard of living. How can westerners be so blind to the fact that they are the problem and that other countries want to have mutually beneficial relationships with them rather than invade and enslave their people?

richbell 4y ago

> Shame on the West for such blatant imperialist attempt at meddling with chinese internal affairs. Shame on you for creating a throwaway account defending China's brutal authoritarian regime with whataboutisms.