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"Twitter has been a very useful partner in the fight against disinformation and illegal hate speech and this must not change." Governments are supposed to do r

by belorn 4y ago

"Twitter has been a very useful partner in the fight against disinformation and illegal hate speech and this must not change." Governments are supposed to do regulatory action and not partnerships. I rather have democratic laws (even with the minor power individual citizens has in EU), than governments officials being in control of content moderation at a public platform.

d23 4y ago
Oh come on. It’s just a polite way of saying they’ve had a cooperative relationship and have made a good faith effort to comply with the laws.
- sieabahlpark 4y ago
- belorn 4y ago
  The quote is not from twitter but by Věra Jourová, the EU’s vice-president in charge of the disinformation code. "They" in this context is the EU commission. Here in Sweden we have a long standing political guideline when it come to politicians and media/news/culture/free speech. Politician should keep a minimum arm-length distance so to not enter temptation of controlling those part of society. Partnership in this context is also a bit weird. The EU commission does not have a police force nor do they enforce the law. The commission role is draft legislation, arbitrate in the legislative process, engage in trade negotiations, and draw up the budget of the European Union.
  - teddyh 4y ago
    It’s a little bit more than just a guideline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_governance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_governance
zamalek 4y ago
> Governments are supposed to do regulatory action and not partnerships. This is a very American view of politics, and this view is certainly not shared by every human on Earth. Europeans voted for such governments, along with all the benefits and drawbacks. Being able to choose governments that align with their ideals is democracy.
- belorn 4y ago
  Funny, since I am a Swede. We got 21 votes in a 705 member parliament, but this article is about the European Commission and not the European Parliament. The commission is appointed from each member state, but those appointed are bound by their oath of office to represent the general interest of the EU as a whole rather than their home state. It operate as the cabinet government of the European union rather than elected representatives of each country. Thus the relation to Europeans votes are a bit more disconnected with the commission compared to the parliament. It also the commission that draws most criticism. The biggest being transparency as as the commission is not held to the same democratic rules as parliament. A EU regulation by its nature must be transparent, while the operation of the commission often is not. Wikipedia has a sub article on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_European_Union#European_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_E... WP quote: "One assertion of democratic illegitimacy focuses on the role of the European Commission as a non elected institution being the only entity (with some few exceptions) initiating legislation."
  - zamalek 4y ago
    Thanks for the correction and explanation.

by belorn 4y ago

d23 4y ago

Oh come on. It’s just a polite way of saying they’ve had a cooperative relationship and have made a good faith effort to comply with the laws.

sieabahlpark 4y ago
belorn 4y ago
The quote is not from twitter but by Věra Jourová, the EU’s vice-president in charge of the disinformation code. "They" in this context is the EU commission. Here in Sweden we have a long standing political guideline when it come to politicians and media/news/culture/free speech. Politician should keep a minimum arm-length distance so to not enter temptation of controlling those part of society. Partnership in this context is also a bit weird. The EU commission does not have a police force nor do they enforce the law. The commission role is draft legislation, arbitrate in the legislative process, engage in trade negotiations, and draw up the budget of the European Union.
- teddyh 4y ago
  It’s a little bit more than just a guideline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_governance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_governance

zamalek 4y ago

> Governments are supposed to do regulatory action and not partnerships. This is a very American view of politics, and this view is certainly not shared by every human on Earth. Europeans voted for such governments, along with all the benefits and drawbacks. Being able to choose governments that align with their ideals is democracy.

belorn 4y ago
Funny, since I am a Swede. We got 21 votes in a 705 member parliament, but this article is about the European Commission and not the European Parliament. The commission is appointed from each member state, but those appointed are bound by their oath of office to represent the general interest of the EU as a whole rather than their home state. It operate as the cabinet government of the European union rather than elected representatives of each country. Thus the relation to Europeans votes are a bit more disconnected with the commission compared to the parliament. It also the commission that draws most criticism. The biggest being transparency as as the commission is not held to the same democratic rules as parliament. A EU regulation by its nature must be transparent, while the operation of the commission often is not. Wikipedia has a sub article on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_European_Union#European_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_E... WP quote: "One assertion of democratic illegitimacy focuses on the role of the European Commission as a non elected institution being the only entity (with some few exceptions) initiating legislation."
- zamalek 4y ago
  Thanks for the correction and explanation.