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Jony Ive was the problem. Many things have improved since he was effectively fired. Note that his position was axed, no designer will ever again wield the power

by fmajid 4y ago

Jony Ive was the problem. Many things have improved since he was effectively fired. Note that his position was axed, no designer will ever again wield the power and influence at Apple he abused.

smoldesu 4y ago
> no designer will ever again wield the power and influence at Apple he abused. Besides whoever is in charge of designing MacOS.
- fmajid 4y ago
  macOS plays second fiddle to iOS at Apple. Ive was Chief Design Officer. Now check Apple's Leadership page (https://www.apple.com/leadership/ https://www.apple.com/leadership/). Design is nowhere to be found on it. It had temporarily been assigned to HR chief Deirdre O'Brien, no more, and Design co-chiefs Alan Dye and Evans Hankey report to the COO Jeff Williams, a.k.a. the Department of Everything Else. It's not a surprise both Dye and Hankey are leaving the company. While I think Ive was mostly harmful to the company once the strong guiding hand of Steve Jobs that kept him on the straight and narrow went, it's not good to have this level of instability in the critical function of design either. Expect years of mediocre product design and stagnation ahead. On the plus side, no more butterfly keyboards, cables that fray if you look at them funny, or portless Macs either.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Sounds like you're taking a realistic stance here, so I won't tear you to shreds. Like you said, Apple's hardware is improving objectively so it's not a terrible thing. For years though, I've been more bothered by gimped software than gimped hardware. Guess that means I shouldn't be in the Apple ecosystem, which is fine by me I suppose.
fdsaf34qgf423 4y ago
But I am assured that Design is the key to everything! How will we be able to make things that humans can use, without Designers? At least, that's what Don Norman, ex-Apple, told me in the seminal book.
- fmajid 4y ago
  Ive was good as an executor of Jobs' vision. By himself, his designs were self-indulgent and putting form above function, the exact opposite of Dieter Rams' approach that he claims to draw inspiration from. That said, Apple cannot sustain its aura and profit margins with me-too design, going too far in the opposite direction.

by fmajid 4y ago

Jony Ive was the problem. Many things have improved since he was effectively fired. Note that his position was axed, no designer will ever again wield the power and influence at Apple he abused.

smoldesu 4y ago

> no designer will ever again wield the power and influence at Apple he abused. Besides whoever is in charge of designing MacOS.

fmajid 4y ago
macOS plays second fiddle to iOS at Apple. Ive was Chief Design Officer. Now check Apple's Leadership page (https://www.apple.com/leadership/ https://www.apple.com/leadership/). Design is nowhere to be found on it. It had temporarily been assigned to HR chief Deirdre O'Brien, no more, and Design co-chiefs Alan Dye and Evans Hankey report to the COO Jeff Williams, a.k.a. the Department of Everything Else. It's not a surprise both Dye and Hankey are leaving the company. While I think Ive was mostly harmful to the company once the strong guiding hand of Steve Jobs that kept him on the straight and narrow went, it's not good to have this level of instability in the critical function of design either. Expect years of mediocre product design and stagnation ahead. On the plus side, no more butterfly keyboards, cables that fray if you look at them funny, or portless Macs either.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Sounds like you're taking a realistic stance here, so I won't tear you to shreds. Like you said, Apple's hardware is improving objectively so it's not a terrible thing. For years though, I've been more bothered by gimped software than gimped hardware. Guess that means I shouldn't be in the Apple ecosystem, which is fine by me I suppose.

fdsaf34qgf423 4y ago

But I am assured that Design is the key to everything! How will we be able to make things that humans can use, without Designers? At least, that's what Don Norman, ex-Apple, told me in the seminal book.

fmajid 4y ago
Ive was good as an executor of Jobs' vision. By himself, his designs were self-indulgent and putting form above function, the exact opposite of Dieter Rams' approach that he claims to draw inspiration from. That said, Apple cannot sustain its aura and profit margins with me-too design, going too far in the opposite direction.