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Banknote printing is primarily protected against on the hardware level of printers, no? With the nigh-invisible unique watermark left by every printer, there’s

Banknote printing is primarily protected against on the hardware level of printers, no? With the nigh-invisible unique watermark left by every printer, there’s virtually no way you’d get away with it. My guess is that the Photoshop filter exists mostly as a barrier against the crime of convenience.

bloaf 4y ago
My point is that there is precedent for governments requiring companies to implement restrictions on what images can be handled by their software. As I explained: This kind of mandated restriction is looming over AI. Companies are trying to get out in front of these restrictions so they can implement them on their own terms.
- simion314 4y ago
  >My point is that there is precedent for governments requiring companies to implement restrictions on what images can be handled by their software But images of boobs are still legal. So this NSFW filter seems to be much more above then the law asks. Is the issue is that even if you do not train with CP you might get the model so output something that some random person will get offended and label it as CP? I assume that other companies can focus on NSFW and have their lawyers figure this out, IMo would be cool that someone sues the governments and make them reveal facts about their concern that CP of fake or cartoon people is dangerous" , I think they could focus on saving real children then cartoon ones.
nomel 4y ago
It’s possible that the end game is hardware in GPUs, to detect whatever they want to prevent, before it’s displayed.
- vintermann 4y ago
  You kill way too many birds with such a stone. Of course you could never do any kind of photorealistic game in real time if you had to pre-screen everything with an actually effective censor. Indeed, what they're already doing is already hobbling the models. Emad is right that we learn new things from the creativity unleashed by accessible models that can be run (and even fine tuned) or consumer hardware. But judging from what people post, one thing we learn is that it seems models fine tuned on porn (such as the notorious f222 and its derivative Hassan's blend) can be quite a bit better at non-porn generation of diverse, photorealistic faces and hands too.
  - nomel 4y ago
    > Of course you could never do any kind of photorealistic game in real time if you had to pre-screen everything with an actually effective censor. I'm not sure I understand this. A possible implementation could be a neural net that blanked the screen with a frown face any time it detected something it thinks was "bad". What purpose/need would pre-screening serve?
    - vintermann 4y ago
      That you describe IS pre-screening. And it's not workable, because it would take a ton of dedicated resources to make it work in real time, and even then it would be disastrous for latency, unworkable for most games and even desktop applications.
      - nomel 4y ago
        > That you describe IS pre-screening. I think this is making the assumption that all frames are blocked. > then it would be disastrous for latency We're talking about the future here. I'm not sure it makes sense to use current tech to say it's not going to happen, or come up with latency numbers. But, "real time" inference is definitely a possibility, and is in active use for video moderation (Youtube, etc) and object detection (Tesla, etc). Nobody will notice a system running at 2000fps.
guncjy 4y ago
You can typically work around that by modding the printer firmware, if needed. It's not baked into the hardware.

bloaf 4y ago

My point is that there is precedent for governments requiring companies to implement restrictions on what images can be handled by their software. As I explained: This kind of mandated restriction is looming over AI. Companies are trying to get out in front of these restrictions so they can implement them on their own terms.

simion314 4y ago
>My point is that there is precedent for governments requiring companies to implement restrictions on what images can be handled by their software But images of boobs are still legal. So this NSFW filter seems to be much more above then the law asks. Is the issue is that even if you do not train with CP you might get the model so output something that some random person will get offended and label it as CP? I assume that other companies can focus on NSFW and have their lawyers figure this out, IMo would be cool that someone sues the governments and make them reveal facts about their concern that CP of fake or cartoon people is dangerous" , I think they could focus on saving real children then cartoon ones.

nomel 4y ago

It’s possible that the end game is hardware in GPUs, to detect whatever they want to prevent, before it’s displayed.

vintermann 4y ago
You kill way too many birds with such a stone. Of course you could never do any kind of photorealistic game in real time if you had to pre-screen everything with an actually effective censor. Indeed, what they're already doing is already hobbling the models. Emad is right that we learn new things from the creativity unleashed by accessible models that can be run (and even fine tuned) or consumer hardware. But judging from what people post, one thing we learn is that it seems models fine tuned on porn (such as the notorious f222 and its derivative Hassan's blend) can be quite a bit better at non-porn generation of diverse, photorealistic faces and hands too.
- nomel 4y ago
  > Of course you could never do any kind of photorealistic game in real time if you had to pre-screen everything with an actually effective censor. I'm not sure I understand this. A possible implementation could be a neural net that blanked the screen with a frown face any time it detected something it thinks was "bad". What purpose/need would pre-screening serve?
  - vintermann 4y ago
    That you describe IS pre-screening. And it's not workable, because it would take a ton of dedicated resources to make it work in real time, and even then it would be disastrous for latency, unworkable for most games and even desktop applications.
    - nomel 4y ago
      > That you describe IS pre-screening. I think this is making the assumption that all frames are blocked. > then it would be disastrous for latency We're talking about the future here. I'm not sure it makes sense to use current tech to say it's not going to happen, or come up with latency numbers. But, "real time" inference is definitely a possibility, and is in active use for video moderation (Youtube, etc) and object detection (Tesla, etc). Nobody will notice a system running at 2000fps.

guncjy 4y ago

You can typically work around that by modding the printer firmware, if needed. It's not baked into the hardware.