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I say "don't have kids" half-heartedly because I actually want them. But I also understand that having them is perpetuating the system which got us here in the

I say "don't have kids" half-heartedly because I actually want them. But I also understand that having them is perpetuating the system which got us here in the first place. You're kidding yourself if you believe otherwise, the way developing nations are coming up should be more than enough evidence of that. If it comes between living rich but destroying the environment, and living in poverty (or really even just less-rich) but keeping nature preserved, people will choose the former every single time.

BLKNSLVR 4y ago
If you want kids and don't eventually have them purely for this reason then you'll regret it doubly. The more conscientious people who have kids should at least maintain the number of conscientious people in the world (so I believe anyway, potentially romantically incorrectly). Religions maintain themselves purely through indoctrination prior to coherent thought, why not use that same hack for actual useful ends. (Hah! I'm such an optimist).
- sammalloy 4y ago
  Idiocracy hypothesis says otherwise. The least educated and intelligent have the most numbers of offspring.
  - BLKNSLVR 4y ago
    In which case 'the conscientious minority' must continue to breed to at least slow the rate of the declining percentage.
  - PlasmaOInterest 4y ago
    And, thankfully, geniuses randomly and repeatedly arise amongst them.
  - nisegami 4y ago
    We can disincentivize it substantially by replacing tax benefits for having kids with tax burdens for having kids, promoting family planning and making contraceptives free and easily accessible as possible, making childbirth and childrearing as expensive as possible, etc.
- NateEag 4y ago
  > Religions maintain themselves purely through indoctrination prior to coherent thought, why not use that same hack for actual useful ends. (Hah! I'm such an optimist). [Citation needed] I've encountered several examples of people who were raised pure humanist/materialist and became one stripe or another of religious later in life, including - Simone Weil (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil) - my father, raised by an atheist and agnostic, was an aggressive atheist until his college years when he became a deist (he further converted to evangelical Christianity while in medical school). - Bruce Greyson, raised a pure materialist but became vaguely spiritual and inclined towards dualism after decades of studying NDEs (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Greyson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Greyson) It may not be common to start off atheist and become theistic, but it does happen.
  - BLKNSLVR 4y ago
    My sister is a born again Christian, so it's not true for her either, but it's definitely true for her kids. Imma keep working on em though ;)

BLKNSLVR 4y ago

If you want kids and don't eventually have them purely for this reason then you'll regret it doubly. The more conscientious people who have kids should at least maintain the number of conscientious people in the world (so I believe anyway, potentially romantically incorrectly). Religions maintain themselves purely through indoctrination prior to coherent thought, why not use that same hack for actual useful ends. (Hah! I'm such an optimist).

sammalloy 4y ago
Idiocracy hypothesis says otherwise. The least educated and intelligent have the most numbers of offspring.
- BLKNSLVR 4y ago
  In which case 'the conscientious minority' must continue to breed to at least slow the rate of the declining percentage.
- PlasmaOInterest 4y ago
  And, thankfully, geniuses randomly and repeatedly arise amongst them.
- nisegami 4y ago
  We can disincentivize it substantially by replacing tax benefits for having kids with tax burdens for having kids, promoting family planning and making contraceptives free and easily accessible as possible, making childbirth and childrearing as expensive as possible, etc.
NateEag 4y ago
> Religions maintain themselves purely through indoctrination prior to coherent thought, why not use that same hack for actual useful ends. (Hah! I'm such an optimist). [Citation needed] I've encountered several examples of people who were raised pure humanist/materialist and became one stripe or another of religious later in life, including - Simone Weil (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil) - my father, raised by an atheist and agnostic, was an aggressive atheist until his college years when he became a deist (he further converted to evangelical Christianity while in medical school). - Bruce Greyson, raised a pure materialist but became vaguely spiritual and inclined towards dualism after decades of studying NDEs (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Greyson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Greyson) It may not be common to start off atheist and become theistic, but it does happen.
- BLKNSLVR 4y ago
  My sister is a born again Christian, so it's not true for her either, but it's definitely true for her kids. Imma keep working on em though ;)