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Prescriptions free drugs/“supplements” that are just drugs: phenylpiracetam and most other racetams. Huperzine A. Caffeine. Ephedrine. Supplements: magnesium,

Prescriptions free drugs/“supplements” that are just drugs: phenylpiracetam and most other racetams. Huperzine A. Caffeine. Ephedrine. Supplements: magnesium, B vitamins. Vitamin D (from sunlight) The right dose of phenylpiracetam, caffeine, and Huperzine can be just as effective as low dose adderall in my experience. Although the side effect profile is completely different: less hyperfocus, little impact on appetite, much more irritability. However I have to say that lifestyle is BY FAR the most effective treatment (even more than adderall, especially long term) and it always bothers me when people ask for advice for supplements and drugs only. Sleep 8-10 hours per night, eat a good breakfast, don’t use nicotine, exercise every day or almost every day, get some sun. Not only do these help by themselves but they also make medication like phenylpiracetam and adderall (adderall in particular needs a lot of protein to work best) more effective as well. Also I highly recommend taking a >1mo total break from cannabis if you are a frequent user. I find that as my usage gradually increases so do my ADHD symptoms, until I quit and suddenly have much more energy and motivation in the next few weeks as my body flushes it all out.

porker 4y ago
> Sleep 8-10 hours per night How do you do this?? Around 4am my brain switches on and I am awake. It is running thinking about problems I was working on the previous day, or just random stuff (that I forget by 6am). I try breathing exercises, meditation but nothing gets me back to sleep. I have pretty good sleep hygiene, do little after 7pm as I'm so tired and in bed before 10.30pm and fall asleep quickly. And then wake up early. I'm so tired and it's impacting my performance during the day.
- opportune 4y ago
  What helps me is no caffeine after 12 (noon) and being ok with only starting work at 10, or working from home on random days where I had trouble falling asleep the night before. Of course not everybody has that luxury. I have always been a night owl and don’t wake up early usually. Like many other people with ADHD once I’m asleep I am very hard to wake. So my problem has always been falling asleep, not staying asleep. It sounds like your natural sleep habits are a bit different so I’m not sure what to suggest. Maybe try taking naps? I also wonder if maybe the rest of the world waking up (like the garbage truck coming, street cleaners, etc.) are waking you up at that specific time.
ravenspeed 4y ago
> Sleep 8-10 hours per night, eat a good breakfast, don’t use nicotine, exercise every day or almost every day, get some sun. Not only do these help by themselves but they also make medication like phenylpiracetam and adderall (adderall in particular needs a lot of protein to work best) more effective as well. That makes sense. Since such amphetamines increase the release of dopamine and noradrenaline. And for those two, you need l-dopa and for l-dopa you need tyrosine and for tyrosine, you need protein. So you need to increase your protein. But I don't know by how much, though ... I guess you need to find out by trial and error ...
- opportune 4y ago
  Tyrosine by itself doesn’t help me nearly as much as complete proteins. I don’t think it’s just neurotransmitters even - amphetamines are kind of hard on your body, and since they suppress your appetite you need to consciously try to get enough. Also phenylpiracetam is not an amphetamine. I think for any medication it’s just important to remember it’s not a silver bullet, it’s something you take on top of what you should be doing t already, not as a replacement for basic needs like sleep and food
- PetitSasquatch 4y ago
  As I understand it, the amphetamines increase, not the release but, the utilisation of dopa / nora / seratonin. One thing to watch out for with them is their effect on your anxiety levels, these are all related systems and things can get away on you fast. Again, these substances are aids not cures. If diagnosed, you need to get to work on your lifestyle and habits, these are what make the real difference; neglect this at your own peril. It's a tough trot, but better than the alternative.

porker 4y ago

> Sleep 8-10 hours per night How do you do this?? Around 4am my brain switches on and I am awake. It is running thinking about problems I was working on the previous day, or just random stuff (that I forget by 6am). I try breathing exercises, meditation but nothing gets me back to sleep. I have pretty good sleep hygiene, do little after 7pm as I'm so tired and in bed before 10.30pm and fall asleep quickly. And then wake up early. I'm so tired and it's impacting my performance during the day.

opportune 4y ago
What helps me is no caffeine after 12 (noon) and being ok with only starting work at 10, or working from home on random days where I had trouble falling asleep the night before. Of course not everybody has that luxury. I have always been a night owl and don’t wake up early usually. Like many other people with ADHD once I’m asleep I am very hard to wake. So my problem has always been falling asleep, not staying asleep. It sounds like your natural sleep habits are a bit different so I’m not sure what to suggest. Maybe try taking naps? I also wonder if maybe the rest of the world waking up (like the garbage truck coming, street cleaners, etc.) are waking you up at that specific time.

ravenspeed 4y ago

> Sleep 8-10 hours per night, eat a good breakfast, don’t use nicotine, exercise every day or almost every day, get some sun. Not only do these help by themselves but they also make medication like phenylpiracetam and adderall (adderall in particular needs a lot of protein to work best) more effective as well. That makes sense. Since such amphetamines increase the release of dopamine and noradrenaline. And for those two, you need l-dopa and for l-dopa you need tyrosine and for tyrosine, you need protein. So you need to increase your protein. But I don't know by how much, though ... I guess you need to find out by trial and error ...

opportune 4y ago
Tyrosine by itself doesn’t help me nearly as much as complete proteins. I don’t think it’s just neurotransmitters even - amphetamines are kind of hard on your body, and since they suppress your appetite you need to consciously try to get enough. Also phenylpiracetam is not an amphetamine. I think for any medication it’s just important to remember it’s not a silver bullet, it’s something you take on top of what you should be doing t already, not as a replacement for basic needs like sleep and food
PetitSasquatch 4y ago
As I understand it, the amphetamines increase, not the release but, the utilisation of dopa / nora / seratonin. One thing to watch out for with them is their effect on your anxiety levels, these are all related systems and things can get away on you fast. Again, these substances are aids not cures. If diagnosed, you need to get to work on your lifestyle and habits, these are what make the real difference; neglect this at your own peril. It's a tough trot, but better than the alternative.