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And he's Tom Sawyering others to do the job for him, without any access to the actual backend: https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595270867402956801 ht

And he's Tom Sawyering others to do the job for him, without any access to the actual backend: https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595270867402956801 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159527086740295680... 2022 is so weird.

Apocryphon 4y ago
Maybe modern web development is just that bad
- cullinap 4y ago
  this
- HappySweeney 4y ago
  Maybe hacking and front-end dev are very different skillsets, and being gifted at one does not automatically make you even competent at the other.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    Agreed. Guess he's dipping into the social engineering aspect of hacking by getting actual FE devs to do the work for him.
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    - quonn 4y ago
      Social engineering by loosing face.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  The reason so many coders think coding bootcamps are viable and a CS degree is not a good fit or not useful for a dev is because they are all javascript plumbers and haven't seen good code in their life. If plumbing was done with the same skill level, talent, and rigor as most websites, your average bathroom would look like the pipes screensaver.
Ptchd 4y ago
> Looking for a one liner I paste in my JavaScript console to enable good "from:"
- onetrickwolf 4y ago
  I don't really see how this would make sense or even be possible purely from the frontend, I think you'd need to modify the typeahead service unless I am misunderstanding the requirements.
  - Gunnerhead 4y ago
    I’m honestly wondering the same thing. I’m convinced I’m misunderstanding the requirements given the constraints.
  - quonn 4y ago
    Exactly and with any modern frontend a solution "purely from the javascript console" can only be a terrible DOM hack. The actual code driving the UI is encapsulated from the global variable namespace that you can potentially modify from the console and in any case is typically transpiled as well.
silisili 4y ago
Good lord. I can't imagine bragging, taking a job, then immediately asking other people how to do it.
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- dqpb 4y ago
  You can't imagine being a manager?
  - itsyaboi 4y ago
    Hotz is an intern not a manager. That's why people are surprised by the audacity of the post.
    - etblg 4y ago
      I mean if we all want to be realistic, he's neither an intern nor a manager nor a real employee. He's a prominent person in the industry who got given an ambiguous role in the company by tweeting the CEO. I doubt there's much strict definitions towards roles and responsibilities in the company right now, other than to try and satisfy Musk.
    - dqpb 4y ago
      An undergrad spending a summer at Twitter is an intern. Hotz is not an intern.
- simplotek 4y ago
  > Good lord. I can't imagine bragging, taking a job, then immediately asking other people how to do it. This. What a public announcement of incompetence.
- goatcode 4y ago
  It happens a lot in software, especially in the last half decade or so.
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klyrs 4y ago
So, I'm all about dunking on Musk's yacht-crashing antics... but did anybody expect Hotz to sit down and write search from scratch in complete isolation? Looks to me like he might recognize the scope of the problem, and he wants to hire some people to help. Briefly: are you using "Tom Sawyering" to describe "management?"
- itsyaboi 4y ago
  Hotz is an intern not a manager. Interns are generally expected to take on these sort of "heads down" coding tasks, not hire other interns.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    Okay, sure, let's go with intern. Are interns not expected to ask basic questions on day one?
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      Why is he not asking other Twitter employees, and if he’s going to ask the dev community, why frame it as an interview to be an intern- to an intern? If he was merely asking for help it would be less controversial.
      - klyrs 4y ago
        Is there a "team" for him to lean on or did they all get sacked? The yacht is still on fire, after all...
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    - zerohp 4y ago
      Did Hotz ask a basic question? No. He made an job offer while acknowledging that he doesn't know if he is allowed to do that and he stated that the interview for it is to do free labor for him.
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memish 4y ago
It would be less weird if people would apply even the tiniest amount of good faith. But no, everyone is so eager to dunk on people trying to build things. All this is going to do is discourage him and others from being transparent and building in public. Everyone trying to tear George down for this comes off as completely miserable. It's fucking sad. > haha of course you can’t ship this, which is why the “free work” comments are so odd. > But if someone can build a half decent experience with no source and nothing, imagine what they’ll build with access. It’s who should be hired to build it in prod. https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595467776713322497 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159546777671332249... > Re: actually getting hired at Twitter, this is not a real interview, only do it if you find it fun! https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595294481510604801 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159529448151060480... > Sadly I'm awful at frontend, hoping someone here picks it up. https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595181424406994944 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159518142440699494... > if I just get rid of the pop up I still consider my internship a win. I have a chrome extension on my laptop to block it. reminds me of the guy who got a job at Apple, made Wallet automatically delete your expired boarding passes, and quit the next week https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1594908473875173377 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159490847387517337...
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  But what is the point of this entire exercise? Was he actually asking for React help? Is he actually hiring an intern team? Did he just want to engage the community by presenting a technical challenge? Is he signaling that Twitter is going to open itself up and invite greater developer interaction? It's all very strange. > All this is going to do is discourage him and others from being transparent and building in public. He's a celebrity hacker, he's used to it. He is not fragile, judging by his public persona.
- silisili 4y ago
  Do you have the backstory? George was kinda fanboying over Musk's "work harder" memo. Someone kinda mocked him. He said fine I'll intern myself to prove my point. So, Musk hires him apparently specifically to fix search. Then George makes a post asking how to fix search, under the guise of hiring them(as an intern) to do it. What is he bringing to the table at that point?
mhh__ 4y ago
Especially after coming from a "move fast and break things"/startup type of place this is slightly embarrassing.
alluro2 4y ago
I'm confused - isn't he supposed to be an AI genius, who can "fix Twitter search" in 12 weeks - and he's asking for help that amounts to ~10 lines of basic JS to process the search results and display them differently? (based on some of the tweets with solutions he commented on)

Apocryphon 4y ago

Maybe modern web development is just that bad

cullinap 4y ago
this
HappySweeney 4y ago
Maybe hacking and front-end dev are very different skillsets, and being gifted at one does not automatically make you even competent at the other.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  Agreed. Guess he's dipping into the social engineering aspect of hacking by getting actual FE devs to do the work for him.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - quonn 4y ago
    Social engineering by loosing face.
mrguyorama 4y ago
The reason so many coders think coding bootcamps are viable and a CS degree is not a good fit or not useful for a dev is because they are all javascript plumbers and haven't seen good code in their life. If plumbing was done with the same skill level, talent, and rigor as most websites, your average bathroom would look like the pipes screensaver.

Ptchd 4y ago

> Looking for a one liner I paste in my JavaScript console to enable good "from:"

onetrickwolf 4y ago
I don't really see how this would make sense or even be possible purely from the frontend, I think you'd need to modify the typeahead service unless I am misunderstanding the requirements.
- Gunnerhead 4y ago
  I’m honestly wondering the same thing. I’m convinced I’m misunderstanding the requirements given the constraints.
- quonn 4y ago
  Exactly and with any modern frontend a solution "purely from the javascript console" can only be a terrible DOM hack. The actual code driving the UI is encapsulated from the global variable namespace that you can potentially modify from the console and in any case is typically transpiled as well.

silisili 4y ago

Good lord. I can't imagine bragging, taking a job, then immediately asking other people how to do it.

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dqpb 4y ago
You can't imagine being a manager?
- itsyaboi 4y ago
  Hotz is an intern not a manager. That's why people are surprised by the audacity of the post.
  - etblg 4y ago
    I mean if we all want to be realistic, he's neither an intern nor a manager nor a real employee. He's a prominent person in the industry who got given an ambiguous role in the company by tweeting the CEO. I doubt there's much strict definitions towards roles and responsibilities in the company right now, other than to try and satisfy Musk.
  - dqpb 4y ago
    An undergrad spending a summer at Twitter is an intern. Hotz is not an intern.
simplotek 4y ago
> Good lord. I can't imagine bragging, taking a job, then immediately asking other people how to do it. This. What a public announcement of incompetence.
goatcode 4y ago
It happens a lot in software, especially in the last half decade or so.

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klyrs 4y ago

So, I'm all about dunking on Musk's yacht-crashing antics... but did anybody expect Hotz to sit down and write search from scratch in complete isolation? Looks to me like he might recognize the scope of the problem, and he wants to hire some people to help. Briefly: are you using "Tom Sawyering" to describe "management?"

itsyaboi 4y ago
Hotz is an intern not a manager. Interns are generally expected to take on these sort of "heads down" coding tasks, not hire other interns.
- klyrs 4y ago
  Okay, sure, let's go with intern. Are interns not expected to ask basic questions on day one?
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    Why is he not asking other Twitter employees, and if he’s going to ask the dev community, why frame it as an interview to be an intern- to an intern? If he was merely asking for help it would be less controversial.
    - klyrs 4y ago
      Is there a "team" for him to lean on or did they all get sacked? The yacht is still on fire, after all...
    - deleted 4y ago
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  - zerohp 4y ago
    Did Hotz ask a basic question? No. He made an job offer while acknowledging that he doesn't know if he is allowed to do that and he stated that the interview for it is to do free labor for him.

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memish 4y ago

It would be less weird if people would apply even the tiniest amount of good faith. But no, everyone is so eager to dunk on people trying to build things. All this is going to do is discourage him and others from being transparent and building in public. Everyone trying to tear George down for this comes off as completely miserable. It's fucking sad. > haha of course you can’t ship this, which is why the “free work” comments are so odd. > But if someone can build a half decent experience with no source and nothing, imagine what they’ll build with access. It’s who should be hired to build it in prod. https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595467776713322497 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159546777671332249... > Re: actually getting hired at Twitter, this is not a real interview, only do it if you find it fun! https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595294481510604801 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159529448151060480... > Sadly I'm awful at frontend, hoping someone here picks it up. https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595181424406994944 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159518142440699494... > if I just get rid of the pop up I still consider my internship a win. I have a chrome extension on my laptop to block it. reminds me of the guy who got a job at Apple, made Wallet automatically delete your expired boarding passes, and quit the next week https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1594908473875173377 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159490847387517337...

Apocryphon 4y ago
But what is the point of this entire exercise? Was he actually asking for React help? Is he actually hiring an intern team? Did he just want to engage the community by presenting a technical challenge? Is he signaling that Twitter is going to open itself up and invite greater developer interaction? It's all very strange. > All this is going to do is discourage him and others from being transparent and building in public. He's a celebrity hacker, he's used to it. He is not fragile, judging by his public persona.
silisili 4y ago
Do you have the backstory? George was kinda fanboying over Musk's "work harder" memo. Someone kinda mocked him. He said fine I'll intern myself to prove my point. So, Musk hires him apparently specifically to fix search. Then George makes a post asking how to fix search, under the guise of hiring them(as an intern) to do it. What is he bringing to the table at that point?

mhh__ 4y ago

Especially after coming from a "move fast and break things"/startup type of place this is slightly embarrassing.

alluro2 4y ago

I'm confused - isn't he supposed to be an AI genius, who can "fix Twitter search" in 12 weeks - and he's asking for help that amounts to ~10 lines of basic JS to process the search results and display them differently? (based on some of the tweets with solutions he commented on)