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Yeah, startup bros typically plan on exploiting the fuck out of a few naive coders to get rich quick. That's why all the real startups have programmers as centr

Yeah, startup bros typically plan on exploiting the fuck out of a few naive coders to get rich quick. That's why all the real startups have programmers as central figures, they can actually produce and stopped themselves from getting scammed. If you're reading this and thinking about working for an early startup, don't. Best case, you make some douchey boss a few million dollars and worst case you lose years of your life making vaporware. Find a real job with stability.

greatpostman 4y ago
I keep getting “offers” of 10% equity to literally program the whole product that doesn’t even exist yet. Startup bros want 90% to send emails. The crazy thing is people do take those offers.
- arcturus17 4y ago
  The only programmers taking these offers are at the bottom of the barrel in either skill or self-confidence, I’m afraid.
  - motoxpro 4y ago
    Ironically, the programming is the easy part. It’s figuring out what to program that is hard.
    - arcturus17 4y ago
      The business bros offering 10% to their CTO are probably also lousy product managers too, and know very little about what to build anyway.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  > Startup bros want 90% to send emails. While 10% is obviously low for what amounts to being a cofounder, I invite you to start a startup with just a product and see how far it goes. You might change your mind on the “just sending email” part.
  - arcturus17 4y ago
    Yes that is a bad take. Biz dev, product management and fundraising are arguably more important than engineering in a startup - except in a few edge cases, the latter is the most commoditized function, as critical as it is. I think 10% could be a decent share for a CTO even at ~seed if the CEO brings great access to capital and users, and outstanding product management instincts. The problem is that this is seldom the case. What I see most often at pre-seed is a CEO that brings a product idea that is all in their own head (and not in the users’), zero idea or instincts on real product management and little else.
mountainriver 4y ago
I donno I made a bunch of money off an early startup, totally depends on the team

greatpostman 4y ago

I keep getting “offers” of 10% equity to literally program the whole product that doesn’t even exist yet. Startup bros want 90% to send emails. The crazy thing is people do take those offers.

arcturus17 4y ago
The only programmers taking these offers are at the bottom of the barrel in either skill or self-confidence, I’m afraid.
- motoxpro 4y ago
  Ironically, the programming is the easy part. It’s figuring out what to program that is hard.
  - arcturus17 4y ago
    The business bros offering 10% to their CTO are probably also lousy product managers too, and know very little about what to build anyway.
WastingMyTime89 4y ago
> Startup bros want 90% to send emails. While 10% is obviously low for what amounts to being a cofounder, I invite you to start a startup with just a product and see how far it goes. You might change your mind on the “just sending email” part.
- arcturus17 4y ago
  Yes that is a bad take. Biz dev, product management and fundraising are arguably more important than engineering in a startup - except in a few edge cases, the latter is the most commoditized function, as critical as it is. I think 10% could be a decent share for a CTO even at ~seed if the CEO brings great access to capital and users, and outstanding product management instincts. The problem is that this is seldom the case. What I see most often at pre-seed is a CEO that brings a product idea that is all in their own head (and not in the users’), zero idea or instincts on real product management and little else.

mountainriver 4y ago

I donno I made a bunch of money off an early startup, totally depends on the team