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I’m in the private beta and things are changing constantly. I’m not sure why anyone would pick a language that won’t ever have a real ecosystem of libraries. Co

I’m in the private beta and things are changing constantly. I’m not sure why anyone would pick a language that won’t ever have a real ecosystem of libraries. Coming from C++ and need to remain low-level? Pick Rust, done.

throwaway17_17 4y ago
With the almost total incompatibility in mindset and preferences between Jai and Rust, I’m not sure if this is actually practical ‘advice’. I can’t help but think most devs that want to use Jai are avoiding Rust purposefully so advising them to skip Jai as a potential replacement for their low level development needs and use Rust is just not going to happen.
- Ar-Curunir 4y ago
  Who is avoiding Rust (an open source, publicly accessible, and relatively widespread language) for Jai (a closed vapourware language that is apparently not anywhere near release) for anything but toy projects?
  - throwaway17_17 4y ago
    I was not implying that people were specifically avoiding Rust in favor of Jai. My comment was more to the point that people who would be interested in Jai are most likely the same devs that are not interested in Rust. The reasons devs give for avoiding Rust are mixed but tend to focus on the restrictiveness inherent in Rust’s chosen memory model or the appearance of continual expansion of the language and its complexity or a strong aversion to the manner of dealing with and heavy usage of third party dependency, along with some other topics (syntax, functional-adjacent styling, insistence on idiomatic code at any cost, etc). While some or all of those reasons may be overblown, some devs just do not want Rust but are looking for an alternative to C or C++.
protoster 4y ago
>I’m not sure why anyone would pick a language that won’t ever have a real ecosystem of libraries Could you elaborate?
mariusor 4y ago
> I’m not sure why anyone would pick a language that won’t ever have a real ecosystem of libraries I think Jon is pretty hard in the camp of handmade game programming. My intuition about the decisions he's making about the language is that the way he's thinking about the "library ecosystem problem" is A) use a code generator to create library bindings from C++ (Raphael Luba, another dev contracted to work on Jai has done some extensive work there), or B) write it yourself.
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throwaway17_17 4y ago

With the almost total incompatibility in mindset and preferences between Jai and Rust, I’m not sure if this is actually practical ‘advice’. I can’t help but think most devs that want to use Jai are avoiding Rust purposefully so advising them to skip Jai as a potential replacement for their low level development needs and use Rust is just not going to happen.

Ar-Curunir 4y ago
Who is avoiding Rust (an open source, publicly accessible, and relatively widespread language) for Jai (a closed vapourware language that is apparently not anywhere near release) for anything but toy projects?
- throwaway17_17 4y ago
  I was not implying that people were specifically avoiding Rust in favor of Jai. My comment was more to the point that people who would be interested in Jai are most likely the same devs that are not interested in Rust. The reasons devs give for avoiding Rust are mixed but tend to focus on the restrictiveness inherent in Rust’s chosen memory model or the appearance of continual expansion of the language and its complexity or a strong aversion to the manner of dealing with and heavy usage of third party dependency, along with some other topics (syntax, functional-adjacent styling, insistence on idiomatic code at any cost, etc). While some or all of those reasons may be overblown, some devs just do not want Rust but are looking for an alternative to C or C++.

protoster 4y ago

>I’m not sure why anyone would pick a language that won’t ever have a real ecosystem of libraries Could you elaborate?

mariusor 4y ago

> I’m not sure why anyone would pick a language that won’t ever have a real ecosystem of libraries I think Jon is pretty hard in the camp of handmade game programming. My intuition about the decisions he's making about the language is that the way he's thinking about the "library ecosystem problem" is A) use a code generator to create library bindings from C++ (Raphael Luba, another dev contracted to work on Jai has done some extensive work there), or B) write it yourself.

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