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F*ck faster acceleration though. The 0 to 100 kph in 2 seconds trend is absurd and dangerous. We should lock all that behind a regulatory wall.

by stfp 4y ago

gadflyinyoureye 4y ago
Everything that’s possibly dangerous should be taxed! Only allow the technocrats to determine what the masses should do.
- _jal 4y ago
  Damn right! Why can't I burn my garbage in downtown San Francisco, instead of having to pay The Man? And if my homebrew wiring job torches down the neighborhood, well, my house, my rules, bucko.
- quantified 4y ago
  What the masses have to pay. Taxed means you gotta have more wealth.
- sfe22 4y ago
  Going outside or even climbing my stairs is possibly dangerous, so you mean the government should get a cut of everything? Oh wait…
celtain 4y ago
I always understood speed to be the main problem, not acceleration. If you're going to lock something behind regulation, shouldn't it be speed?
- Scalestein 4y ago
  Speed will make accidents worse (deadlier). Acceleration will make accidents more likely. Sports cars flooring it from a stop, losing traction and hitting a telephone pole is like a whole genre of YouTube videos.
  - 0xblood 4y ago
    Acceleration does not make accidents more likely (well, technically, without the ability to accelerate, it'll be impossible to have a car crash, I guess?). Risky behavior makes accidents more likely. Not being able to control your machinery and still trying to push it to its limits makes accidents more likely. Here the problem is people who behave anti-social and ego-centrical. But that's behavior we like to generally encourage and then fix it by adding regulations around the most stupid things.
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    > Sports cars flooring it from a stop, losing traction Traction control prevents this these days. It still happens, of course, because idiots WANT to spin their tires and so turn off the traction control. But spinning tires != going fast. Usually sports cars flooring from a stop are interested in speed, not tire smoke, so the TC is still on. That said, I know in my Model 3 Performance, I've floored it from a traffic light in the rain and had very little spin. It's insane how effective traction control is in an EV.
- mlac 4y ago
  This is an interesting question. If you’re accelerating and take your foot off the gas pedal, the car continues to accelerate until braking is applied. So if you accelerate very quickly to the speed limit, there would be a likely situation where you pass the desired speed unless you get on the brakes, which requires reaction time. But yeah - I don’t necessarily agree with regulating it away for safety - people need to have personal responsibility. But regulations could make car companies optimize for other variables though (like distance and economy) which could be good.
  - timbeccue 4y ago
    If you take your foot off the gas, acceleration should effectively stop, right? F=ma, so with mass held constant and the only forces being friction, a is actually slightly negative. So max speed happens as soon as you release the gas pedal.
  - aftbit 4y ago
    I'd love to delegate that part of driving to my car. Automatically maintain speed limit (+5 mph or so, or I'll be tailgated the whole way home) and following distance to the car in front of me. I'll just cover the brake and tap it if I see something wrong in front, at which time it can revert to manual speed control. Bonus points for maximum performance acceleration without overshoot to the speed limit if I am the first one stopped at a red light when it turns green. Adaptive cruise control is awesome, but the implementations I've used are unaware of the road's speed limit.
  - thegrimmest 4y ago
    > the car continues to accelerate until braking is applied. Unless you're going downhill this defies our known understanding of physics.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      To be fair, the car is accelerating, just accelerating in a direction opposite from the current forward movement, resulting in a decrease of the vehicle's current speed. Probably not what they meant in that comment though.
- quonn 4y ago
  I think it can be dangerous in a closed space, such as a garage, near a wall or inside a parking lot.
- AdrianB1 4y ago
  It is not the speed that kills, but the sudden deceleration hitting a tree. Joking aside, acceleration can be a real problem. I ride a lot my motorcycle to work, shopping etc. I am closing to an intersection, I see a car that has to yield and when I am close enough, I am pretty sure I will not be hit even if the car is not yielding, which happens quite often (many drivers don't see motorcycles or ignore their rights). With a very high acceleration, the risk of getting hit is a lot higher.
ksidudwbw 4y ago
What is worse is it is self reinforcing. Accidentally flooring will push you back and keep your foot floored until you end up in a shopping mall
- m463 4y ago
  motorcycle yes (fingers roll back on throttle), car not so much.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  Unless you're in reverse, it's literally the exact opposite of what you said: the acceleration will try to pull your foot off the pedal.
  - sdwr 4y ago
    The acceleration pushes your back into the seat, and you brace yourself by pushing your foot harder against the floor (gas pedal). It's an instinct thing, not a physics one.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      But that's not the acceleration doing that. That's you doing that.
      - sdwr 4y ago
        Tomato tomato
        BenjiWiebe 4y ago
        As a child I drove a lawnmower where the acceleration caused you to lean back, moving the levers back causing you to go in reverse, shoving you forward, causing you to drive forward, ... It was actually the acceleration causing the back and forth (threw me off the seat before I let go causing it to stop).
aitchnyu 4y ago
Yeah put acceleration more than neccessary for road use into a track-only mode. IIRC, elderly driver mashed the pedal in a Tesla and it needed just a few feet to cause a bad accident. Also a tire-wear limiting function. Tire makers should be making less microplasticky tires instead of chasing the demands of EVs which are heavier and far torquier than ICE cars. Rimac is about to ship a car with a top speed lower than the 412kph (258mph) its capable of. It has a speed governor which employees unlock after ensuring safe condition of vehicle and track.
0xblood 4y ago
Such regulation could not be enforced just because it would be hugely impractical to measure and monitor. That aside, I don't understand your problem with it
- stfp 4y ago
  Read other responses and actually think about it :)))))))

F*ck faster acceleration though. The 0 to 100 kph in 2 seconds trend is absurd and dangerous. We should lock all that behind a regulatory wall.

by stfp 4y ago

F*ck faster acceleration though. The 0 to 100 kph in 2 seconds trend is absurd and dangerous. We should lock all that behind a regulatory wall.

gadflyinyoureye 4y ago

Everything that’s possibly dangerous should be taxed! Only allow the technocrats to determine what the masses should do.

_jal 4y ago
Damn right! Why can't I burn my garbage in downtown San Francisco, instead of having to pay The Man? And if my homebrew wiring job torches down the neighborhood, well, my house, my rules, bucko.
quantified 4y ago
What the masses have to pay. Taxed means you gotta have more wealth.
sfe22 4y ago
Going outside or even climbing my stairs is possibly dangerous, so you mean the government should get a cut of everything? Oh wait…

celtain 4y ago

I always understood speed to be the main problem, not acceleration. If you're going to lock something behind regulation, shouldn't it be speed?

Scalestein 4y ago
Speed will make accidents worse (deadlier). Acceleration will make accidents more likely. Sports cars flooring it from a stop, losing traction and hitting a telephone pole is like a whole genre of YouTube videos.
- 0xblood 4y ago
  Acceleration does not make accidents more likely (well, technically, without the ability to accelerate, it'll be impossible to have a car crash, I guess?). Risky behavior makes accidents more likely. Not being able to control your machinery and still trying to push it to its limits makes accidents more likely. Here the problem is people who behave anti-social and ego-centrical. But that's behavior we like to generally encourage and then fix it by adding regulations around the most stupid things.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > Sports cars flooring it from a stop, losing traction Traction control prevents this these days. It still happens, of course, because idiots WANT to spin their tires and so turn off the traction control. But spinning tires != going fast. Usually sports cars flooring from a stop are interested in speed, not tire smoke, so the TC is still on. That said, I know in my Model 3 Performance, I've floored it from a traffic light in the rain and had very little spin. It's insane how effective traction control is in an EV.
mlac 4y ago
This is an interesting question. If you’re accelerating and take your foot off the gas pedal, the car continues to accelerate until braking is applied. So if you accelerate very quickly to the speed limit, there would be a likely situation where you pass the desired speed unless you get on the brakes, which requires reaction time. But yeah - I don’t necessarily agree with regulating it away for safety - people need to have personal responsibility. But regulations could make car companies optimize for other variables though (like distance and economy) which could be good.
- timbeccue 4y ago
  If you take your foot off the gas, acceleration should effectively stop, right? F=ma, so with mass held constant and the only forces being friction, a is actually slightly negative. So max speed happens as soon as you release the gas pedal.
- aftbit 4y ago
  I'd love to delegate that part of driving to my car. Automatically maintain speed limit (+5 mph or so, or I'll be tailgated the whole way home) and following distance to the car in front of me. I'll just cover the brake and tap it if I see something wrong in front, at which time it can revert to manual speed control. Bonus points for maximum performance acceleration without overshoot to the speed limit if I am the first one stopped at a red light when it turns green. Adaptive cruise control is awesome, but the implementations I've used are unaware of the road's speed limit.
- thegrimmest 4y ago
  > the car continues to accelerate until braking is applied. Unless you're going downhill this defies our known understanding of physics.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    To be fair, the car is accelerating, just accelerating in a direction opposite from the current forward movement, resulting in a decrease of the vehicle's current speed. Probably not what they meant in that comment though.
quonn 4y ago
I think it can be dangerous in a closed space, such as a garage, near a wall or inside a parking lot.
AdrianB1 4y ago
It is not the speed that kills, but the sudden deceleration hitting a tree. Joking aside, acceleration can be a real problem. I ride a lot my motorcycle to work, shopping etc. I am closing to an intersection, I see a car that has to yield and when I am close enough, I am pretty sure I will not be hit even if the car is not yielding, which happens quite often (many drivers don't see motorcycles or ignore their rights). With a very high acceleration, the risk of getting hit is a lot higher.

ksidudwbw 4y ago

What is worse is it is self reinforcing. Accidentally flooring will push you back and keep your foot floored until you end up in a shopping mall

m463 4y ago
motorcycle yes (fingers roll back on throttle), car not so much.
josephcsible 4y ago
Unless you're in reverse, it's literally the exact opposite of what you said: the acceleration will try to pull your foot off the pedal.
- sdwr 4y ago
  The acceleration pushes your back into the seat, and you brace yourself by pushing your foot harder against the floor (gas pedal). It's an instinct thing, not a physics one.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    But that's not the acceleration doing that. That's you doing that.
    - sdwr 4y ago
      Tomato tomato
      - BenjiWiebe 4y ago
        As a child I drove a lawnmower where the acceleration caused you to lean back, moving the levers back causing you to go in reverse, shoving you forward, causing you to drive forward, ... It was actually the acceleration causing the back and forth (threw me off the seat before I let go causing it to stop).

aitchnyu 4y ago

Yeah put acceleration more than neccessary for road use into a track-only mode. IIRC, elderly driver mashed the pedal in a Tesla and it needed just a few feet to cause a bad accident. Also a tire-wear limiting function. Tire makers should be making less microplasticky tires instead of chasing the demands of EVs which are heavier and far torquier than ICE cars. Rimac is about to ship a car with a top speed lower than the 412kph (258mph) its capable of. It has a speed governor which employees unlock after ensuring safe condition of vehicle and track.

0xblood 4y ago

Such regulation could not be enforced just because it would be hugely impractical to measure and monitor. That aside, I don't understand your problem with it

stfp 4y ago
Read other responses and actually think about it :)))))))