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Hunger is not poverty, hunger is hunger. Even wealthy people can be hungry.

mdp2021 4y ago
And even the frugal can be hungry: that is the meaning of poverty in the article, and the analysis is about a solution against it - because whether you embrace the idea of "[GDP-based] growth" or that of "frugality", hunger is a bad state to live in. The point of the article is about "how to have growth", and it is a transposition on different assumptions of "how to have food even though you are frugal". Diogenes was frugal and, reportedly, occasionally sadly aware of his factual poverty.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  You people love to talk yourselves in circles for no reason. Poverty is a fiction made up by capitalists.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    > Poverty is And the situation of the people fighting starvation, how do you call it? Indigence? What would be this "poverty" you are talking about, which would be different from indigence - and surely it is not the pauperty of personal choice, which existed well before Newcomen, well before the Medici, even before the Sumers had barns according to some? 'Poverty' means "improductivity". But it is most commonly used for "indigence". Beggars are indigent, but not paupers, to your scheme? There is a documentary - I think, "Kubrick's 2001 Space Odyssey" - in which «hoard[ers]... not sharing» are seen: monkey resemblant hominids: it implied that the discovery of scarcity was very ancient.
    - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
      > And the situation of the people fighting starvation, how do you call it? Indigence? I call it a situation caused by greed and capitalism that can be resolved in a second by just giving these people food. Scarcity created by nature is not poverty, it is famine. Scarcity created by humans is poverty. To whit I give you the definition of poverty: https://www.britannica.com/topic/poverty https://www.britannica.com/topic/poverty poverty, the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions.

mdp2021 4y ago

And even the frugal can be hungry: that is the meaning of poverty in the article, and the analysis is about a solution against it - because whether you embrace the idea of "[GDP-based] growth" or that of "frugality", hunger is a bad state to live in. The point of the article is about "how to have growth", and it is a transposition on different assumptions of "how to have food even though you are frugal". Diogenes was frugal and, reportedly, occasionally sadly aware of his factual poverty.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
You people love to talk yourselves in circles for no reason. Poverty is a fiction made up by capitalists.
- mdp2021 4y ago
  > Poverty is And the situation of the people fighting starvation, how do you call it? Indigence? What would be this "poverty" you are talking about, which would be different from indigence - and surely it is not the pauperty of personal choice, which existed well before Newcomen, well before the Medici, even before the Sumers had barns according to some? 'Poverty' means "improductivity". But it is most commonly used for "indigence". Beggars are indigent, but not paupers, to your scheme? There is a documentary - I think, "Kubrick's 2001 Space Odyssey" - in which «hoard[ers]... not sharing» are seen: monkey resemblant hominids: it implied that the discovery of scarcity was very ancient.
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    > And the situation of the people fighting starvation, how do you call it? Indigence? I call it a situation caused by greed and capitalism that can be resolved in a second by just giving these people food. Scarcity created by nature is not poverty, it is famine. Scarcity created by humans is poverty. To whit I give you the definition of poverty: https://www.britannica.com/topic/poverty https://www.britannica.com/topic/poverty poverty, the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions.