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This seems like an emotional reaction to a very valid point. If everyone on earth had fair wages things would be far more expensive. Part of what makes your ph

This seems like an emotional reaction to a very valid point. If everyone on earth had fair wages things would be far more expensive. Part of what makes your phone affordable is cheap labor in terrible conditions. What happens when those countries start to be less poor? The answer is that the rich countries will find another group of poor people to make their stuff. This is likely why rich people, like Bill Gates, are obsessed with Africa.

JoeAltmaier 4y ago
When we find the magic wand to do that, I'm not sure I'd wave it but ok. 'Fair wages' is tossed around a lot. I'm not some money-grubbing oligarch but imagining you can control wages has a pretty bad track record. It's going to take more than talking about the end game, to come up with a game plan. Anyway, I don't think I'm being any more emotional that the knock-off remark I responded to. If I came off as reactionary I apologize.
- dusted 4y ago
  I'm curious what it is in my comment that you found to be "knock-off" or distasteful? I didn't defend the status-quo, I didn't suggest any alternative, I didn't say it was a good or a bad thing, only that it is how things are right now. All I said was, that what makes rich countries rich, is that they have more money than poor countries..
  - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
    ...and its because they give all the shitwork to 'poor countries'. (Work which, of course, we used to do here in this rich country). It's that blanket assertion that everything is just this one way. That's easy to say. Nothing was offered to support it. The reader is assumed to agree because it's obvious.
    - dusted 4y ago
      I'm not arguing that it is, I'm simply stating that it is my understanding that that is how it is. Is it not the case? That 'poor countries' are getting all the shitwork now ? I sense that you disagree with my understanding of how things are, but you are offering nothing of your own view at all.. So, if things are not how I think they are, then please, tell me how you think they are ?
      - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
        Nah, I'm not going to do any more work to refute an off-the-cuff remark, than the remark took to make.
        dusted 4y ago
        I'm sure the maker of a remark holds fairly exclusive privilege to declare it off the cuff or not, mostly that is done as an excuse for when the remark was later refuted or otherwise got them into trouble.. My remark was well-prepared, you may not agree with it, however, I am the one who made it, and I did not make it off the cuff.. Did you mean that you made an off the cuff remark, and wanted to refute your own remark?

JoeAltmaier 4y ago

When we find the magic wand to do that, I'm not sure I'd wave it but ok. 'Fair wages' is tossed around a lot. I'm not some money-grubbing oligarch but imagining you can control wages has a pretty bad track record. It's going to take more than talking about the end game, to come up with a game plan. Anyway, I don't think I'm being any more emotional that the knock-off remark I responded to. If I came off as reactionary I apologize.

dusted 4y ago
I'm curious what it is in my comment that you found to be "knock-off" or distasteful? I didn't defend the status-quo, I didn't suggest any alternative, I didn't say it was a good or a bad thing, only that it is how things are right now. All I said was, that what makes rich countries rich, is that they have more money than poor countries..
- JoeAltmaier 4y ago
  ...and its because they give all the shitwork to 'poor countries'. (Work which, of course, we used to do here in this rich country). It's that blanket assertion that everything is just this one way. That's easy to say. Nothing was offered to support it. The reader is assumed to agree because it's obvious.
  - dusted 4y ago
    I'm not arguing that it is, I'm simply stating that it is my understanding that that is how it is. Is it not the case? That 'poor countries' are getting all the shitwork now ? I sense that you disagree with my understanding of how things are, but you are offering nothing of your own view at all.. So, if things are not how I think they are, then please, tell me how you think they are ?
    - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
      Nah, I'm not going to do any more work to refute an off-the-cuff remark, than the remark took to make.
      - dusted 4y ago
        I'm sure the maker of a remark holds fairly exclusive privilege to declare it off the cuff or not, mostly that is done as an excuse for when the remark was later refuted or otherwise got them into trouble.. My remark was well-prepared, you may not agree with it, however, I am the one who made it, and I did not make it off the cuff.. Did you mean that you made an off the cuff remark, and wanted to refute your own remark?