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Linkbaity headline, there. "Mind reading" already exists kindof sortof maybe good enough to cnet to write an article about. This is at the top of my Christmas

by blhack 15y ago

Linkbaity headline, there. "Mind reading" already exists kindof sortof maybe good enough to cnet to write an article about. This is at the top of my Christmas list: http://emotiv.com/ http://emotiv.com/ In fact, here is a comparison of consumer Brain Computer Interfaces: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2...

dkersten 15y ago
One of my best friends just finished his phd in brain computer interfaces and "mind reading" totally already exists (for certain very specific definitions of "mind reading").
- cjfont 15y ago
  Most likely not same definitions that come to someone's mind when they read it within a sensational headline such as this one.
  - dkersten 15y ago
    Agreed, definitely a much stricter definition.
bchjam 15y ago
definitely a sensationalist headline but still a very interesting bit of tech to watch evolve. the first thing I ever saw along these lines: recreating a cat's vision from brain sensors (1999) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/471786.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/471786.stm
bgalbraith 15y ago
As a current PhD student working in this area, I caution you about getting too excited about the Emotiv EPOC. We've got one in the lab we've started to work with as a potential low-cost EEG system. The out-of-the-box software is kinda hokey, so you may end up with an expensive novelty you use once or twice. On the technical side, it does seem to be the best current option for consumer EEG, though most of these devices are actually strongly influenced by, if not heavily reliant on, facial muscle movements.
- troyastorino 15y ago
  Agreed. Although there are many videos online of using the device successfully, the people who tried it in our lab found it/themselves very difficult to train. And it was due to lack of trying...we very much wanted to control things with our minds.
- sireat 15y ago
  A friend of mine bought the developer-prerelease version a year ago(it has extra 2 electrodes), it is very hard to train, he got some success, but basically it is a novelty, can't really use it as a practical device. Also there was a rather restrictive licence on the out-of-the-box software, which is not very productive for a hardware company.
- blhack 15y ago
  Have you worked with the open source python library for it?
  - bgalbraith 15y ago
    No, I haven't, though I'm interested in which library are you referring to. We've been developing our own Python wrapper interface to their API, though this is to share a common interface with the other EEG DAQ (e.g. g.tec) Python wrappers we've been developing.
    - blhack 15y ago
      https://github.com/daeken/Emokit/blob/master/Announcement.md https://github.com/daeken/Emokit/blob/master/Announcement.md (I've heard a few people make similar complaints to yours, which is really really saddening to me. Regardless I'm still going to buy one and see what I can do with it :))

by blhack 15y ago

dkersten 15y ago

One of my best friends just finished his phd in brain computer interfaces and "mind reading" totally already exists (for certain very specific definitions of "mind reading").

cjfont 15y ago
Most likely not same definitions that come to someone's mind when they read it within a sensational headline such as this one.
- dkersten 15y ago
  Agreed, definitely a much stricter definition.

bchjam 15y ago

definitely a sensationalist headline but still a very interesting bit of tech to watch evolve. the first thing I ever saw along these lines: recreating a cat's vision from brain sensors (1999) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/471786.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/471786.stm

bgalbraith 15y ago

As a current PhD student working in this area, I caution you about getting too excited about the Emotiv EPOC. We've got one in the lab we've started to work with as a potential low-cost EEG system. The out-of-the-box software is kinda hokey, so you may end up with an expensive novelty you use once or twice. On the technical side, it does seem to be the best current option for consumer EEG, though most of these devices are actually strongly influenced by, if not heavily reliant on, facial muscle movements.

troyastorino 15y ago
Agreed. Although there are many videos online of using the device successfully, the people who tried it in our lab found it/themselves very difficult to train. And it was due to lack of trying...we very much wanted to control things with our minds.
sireat 15y ago
A friend of mine bought the developer-prerelease version a year ago(it has extra 2 electrodes), it is very hard to train, he got some success, but basically it is a novelty, can't really use it as a practical device. Also there was a rather restrictive licence on the out-of-the-box software, which is not very productive for a hardware company.
blhack 15y ago
Have you worked with the open source python library for it?
- bgalbraith 15y ago
  No, I haven't, though I'm interested in which library are you referring to. We've been developing our own Python wrapper interface to their API, though this is to share a common interface with the other EEG DAQ (e.g. g.tec) Python wrappers we've been developing.
  - blhack 15y ago
    https://github.com/daeken/Emokit/blob/master/Announcement.md https://github.com/daeken/Emokit/blob/master/Announcement.md (I've heard a few people make similar complaints to yours, which is really really saddening to me. Regardless I'm still going to buy one and see what I can do with it :))