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Amusingly, Theresa May and Boris Johnson, while angrily waving their fist at the horrible EU trying to force them to remain in the union and being awkward about

Amusingly, Theresa May and Boris Johnson, while angrily waving their fist at the horrible EU trying to force them to remain in the union and being awkward about it, insisted that Scotland has no say over whether they want to remain in the United Kingdom, that being together is better and so on... I think probably both Scotland and the rest of the UK are better off together, but this country is really coming apart at the poorly glued seams of English hypocrisy.

LatteLazy 4y ago
Please don't lump this on the English, we don't care. Per your own comment this is decided by PMs. Hardly any of them are english (Johnson was American, Cameron and Blair were both Scots, May was English and the others in the last 40 years lasted too little time to matter). It's a common misconception that Westminster Politicians care about England but not (say) Scotland. They don't care about either.
soco 4y ago
If we read the court's reasoning, it was rejected because it would show "democratic expression of the Scottish electorate" and while at it, would "either strengthen or weaken the democratic legitimacy of the union". Damn democracy, how annoying it can become when it does not agree with the status quo anymore - we rather gag its voice to not hear any dissensions.
lucozade 4y ago
At least from Johnson's pov, his argument for refusing another referendum was exactly in line with his view on brexit. Specifically, if you have a referendum then you should bloody well respect the result. The last thing he wanted was to offer the possibility that a referendum is just for Xmas and you can change your mind if you get cold feet. And tbh, there were only 2 realistic outcomes from the Supreme Court today: either that there's no legislation to review so they can't comment (which they dismissed) or that we have precedent for the exact mechanism for having a Scottish independence referendum. Because we've had one.
- theironhammer 4y ago
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  His arguments were not particularly coherent. My point is he insisted that nations have an absolute sovereignty and cannot be bound by other nations' or organisations' will. But then there he goes telling Scotland what rules they are bound by, which they scarcely elected themselves. If Scotland wanted to have a referendum every other month, what's that to him, given his attitude to UK-EU relations? I think it's a bit nonsensical to have referenda on such important matters, with such poor standards on campaigning, and thresholds being simple majority, in the first place. Having one or two in a short time span is equally silly.

LatteLazy 4y ago

Please don't lump this on the English, we don't care. Per your own comment this is decided by PMs. Hardly any of them are english (Johnson was American, Cameron and Blair were both Scots, May was English and the others in the last 40 years lasted too little time to matter). It's a common misconception that Westminster Politicians care about England but not (say) Scotland. They don't care about either.

soco 4y ago

If we read the court's reasoning, it was rejected because it would show "democratic expression of the Scottish electorate" and while at it, would "either strengthen or weaken the democratic legitimacy of the union". Damn democracy, how annoying it can become when it does not agree with the status quo anymore - we rather gag its voice to not hear any dissensions.

lucozade 4y ago

At least from Johnson's pov, his argument for refusing another referendum was exactly in line with his view on brexit. Specifically, if you have a referendum then you should bloody well respect the result. The last thing he wanted was to offer the possibility that a referendum is just for Xmas and you can change your mind if you get cold feet. And tbh, there were only 2 realistic outcomes from the Supreme Court today: either that there's no legislation to review so they can't comment (which they dismissed) or that we have precedent for the exact mechanism for having a Scottish independence referendum. Because we've had one.

theironhammer 4y ago
rich_sasha 4y ago
His arguments were not particularly coherent. My point is he insisted that nations have an absolute sovereignty and cannot be bound by other nations' or organisations' will. But then there he goes telling Scotland what rules they are bound by, which they scarcely elected themselves. If Scotland wanted to have a referendum every other month, what's that to him, given his attitude to UK-EU relations? I think it's a bit nonsensical to have referenda on such important matters, with such poor standards on campaigning, and thresholds being simple majority, in the first place. Having one or two in a short time span is equally silly.