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I can explain a little more than the other replies. The situation has changed a lot and the reason why is brexit. In 2014 the Scottish referendum a central pa

by dijit 4y ago

I can explain a little more than the other replies. The situation has changed a lot and the reason why is brexit. In 2014 the Scottish referendum a central part of the "No to independence" marketing was the idea that Scotland would be out of the EU and would be unlikely (or uncertain) if they would be able to return to the EU. The victory margin for remaining in the UK was quite narrow and interviews from that time indicate that it was a large problem for many. In 2016 in the Brexit referendum Scotland's regions voted unanimously to remain in the EU, but of course they were outnumbered by the English and Welsh. So, since a central promise that inspired many to check the "No" to independence box to Scottish independence had changed: the conversation has come about again. EDIT: I'm currently going through old youtube videos trying to find interesting "on the street" conversations and it's absolutely shocking how close the argument for Independence and Brexit are. I am not sure it's consistent to be pro-brexit and anti-scotland independence.

smcl 4y ago
The reason why there are so many terse replies is that this happens every single time - the anti-indy crowd like to troll that they haven't the faintest idea what the problem is, and engaging with them as if they're acting in good faith is tiring and usually not worth it. I appreciate that you took the time to explain though, there is a remote chance OP (or simply someone passing by) sincerely doesn't know what's going on.
colinb 4y ago
> unanimously mm. No.
- dijit 4y ago
  Every Scottish region voted to remain: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/results-and-turnout-eu-referendum/eu-referendum-results-region-scotland https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w... You can literally see the Scottish border: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/world/europe/how-britain-voted-brexit-referendum.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/world/europe/...
notahacker 4y ago
> EDIT: I'm currently going through old youtube videos trying to find interesting "on the street" conversations and it's absolutely shocking how close the argument for Independence and Brexit are. I am not sure it's consistent to be pro-brexit and anti-scotland independence. Of course, the reverse also applies. It's odd to come to the conclusion "well I wanted to stay in the EU because I actually believed the experts about the value of trade more than I believed the politicians glibly dismissing all the complicated bits with the words "Project Fear", so now that Brexit happened and was a bit of a disaster I've decided that what we really need is to lose much deeper and more significant trade relationships and place our faith in politicians glibly dismissing all the complicated bits with the words 'Project Fear'".
- dijit 4y ago
  I agree with you actually, but the arguments for Brexit hit a lot harder when levied towards the UK government. It’s a matter of trust, the EU has a much more proportional representation in its election system and has done much for people who aren’t just the elite class, where the UK government has done almost everything in its power to impoverish the nation in the goal of enriching a few. This is the impression anyway. So I can at least see that as a difference.

by dijit 4y ago

smcl 4y ago

The reason why there are so many terse replies is that this happens every single time - the anti-indy crowd like to troll that they haven't the faintest idea what the problem is, and engaging with them as if they're acting in good faith is tiring and usually not worth it. I appreciate that you took the time to explain though, there is a remote chance OP (or simply someone passing by) sincerely doesn't know what's going on.

colinb 4y ago

> unanimously mm. No.

dijit 4y ago
Every Scottish region voted to remain: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/results-and-turnout-eu-referendum/eu-referendum-results-region-scotland https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w... You can literally see the Scottish border: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/world/europe/how-britain-voted-brexit-referendum.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/world/europe/...

notahacker 4y ago

> EDIT: I'm currently going through old youtube videos trying to find interesting "on the street" conversations and it's absolutely shocking how close the argument for Independence and Brexit are. I am not sure it's consistent to be pro-brexit and anti-scotland independence. Of course, the reverse also applies. It's odd to come to the conclusion "well I wanted to stay in the EU because I actually believed the experts about the value of trade more than I believed the politicians glibly dismissing all the complicated bits with the words "Project Fear", so now that Brexit happened and was a bit of a disaster I've decided that what we really need is to lose much deeper and more significant trade relationships and place our faith in politicians glibly dismissing all the complicated bits with the words 'Project Fear'".

dijit 4y ago
I agree with you actually, but the arguments for Brexit hit a lot harder when levied towards the UK government. It’s a matter of trust, the EU has a much more proportional representation in its election system and has done much for people who aren’t just the elite class, where the UK government has done almost everything in its power to impoverish the nation in the goal of enriching a few. This is the impression anyway. So I can at least see that as a difference.